5-2-1 Compressor Saver vs DuoTherm Hard Start kit??

Sorry, decided to go with the soft start option.
was going to get the Dometic Soft Start
then did some research and found the outfit that makes them for Dometic: Hyper Engineering.
spoke to their engineer and hoping it will work for me
see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApscKchMybM
Got it in today, and the a/c 25yr experience wizard is going to install Mon or Tues!
keeping fingers and toes crossed!
got a brisk air II
cheers
Bob

joshuajim wrote:
The 5-2-1 is a 3 wire start assist. The main difference between a 3 wire and a 2 wire like a Supco is that the 2 wire uses what I will basically call a heat switch to remove the cap from the start circuit. It switches off when it reaches a certain temperature, usually in a couple of tenths of a second. A three wire senses when the compressor reaches about 75 percent of run speed and then cuts out.

When running an RV A/C on a smaller generator, the rpm and voltage dip at startup but the start cap cuts out before the generator can get the compressor up to speed. This usually is the cause of a no start. A three wire stays in circuit until the compressor reaches 75 percent of full speed and usually will start the A/C much better than a 2 wire.

Some people will say that it is bad for the windings for the cap to stay in circuit for a longer time, but there are trade off on everything and with the limited wattage of a small generator that has not likely.

My Yamaha 2400 starts my 13.5 every time at up to 7000 MSL using a 5-2-1 three wire start assist.

What model A/C unit do you have? I've got an Air Command AC1501 (15K BTU), and was talking to the 5-2-1 (CPS Products) tech support line today. I got in touch with a very nice gentleman who retired from 5-2-1, and is a part time consultant for them now. He was a designer for the company for many years. He was telling me that the 5-2-1 kit was meant for 240V systems, not 120. His concern was that the potential relay would not open up because the pick up voltage was too low.

When I told him that there were numerous examples of folks using them on RV applications, he was surprised, and more than a little intrigued. I'm hesitant to install it unless I could find someone who had been using it on a unit very similar to mine.

The compressor specs on my Air Command are 15A running, and 63A locked rotor. Is that anywhere near the specs on your unit, and have you had any trouble since you installed it?

Thanks....

The 5-2-1 is a 3 wire start assist. The main difference between a 3 wire and a 2 wire like a Supco is that the 2 wire uses what I will basically call a heat switch to remove the cap from the start circuit. It switches off when it reaches a certain temperature, usually in a couple of tenths of a second. A three wire senses when the compressor reaches about 75 percent of run speed and then cuts out.

When running an RV A/C on a smaller generator, the rpm and voltage dip at startup but the start cap cuts out before the generator can get the compressor up to speed. This usually is the cause of a no start. A three wire stays in circuit until the compressor reaches 75 percent of full speed and usually will start the A/C much better than a 2 wire.

Some people will say that it is bad for the windings for the cap to stay in circuit for a longer time, but there are trade off on everything and with the limited wattage of a small generator that has not likely.

My Yamaha 2400 starts my 13.5 every time at up to 7000 MSL using a 5-2-1 three wire start assist.

How would these compare to the Sure Start from Gen Pro.
http://www.gen-pro.biz/#!product/prd12/2661499201/single-phase-115v-(12-20-rla)
Single phase, for motors .75 to 1.75 hp
seems like it would keep the voltage up?
thanks

Voltmeters do not lie. Test after capacitor start assist installation. If the voltage WHILE the compressor is spinning up is less than 105 then the generator is too small. Voltage while running does not cut it. It's all about voltage during starting.

Ditto on a bigger gennie...
Tried the twin Honda 2000 thing... Pain in the butt.
Moved up to a Yamaha 6300sdi for extended boondocking. Powers everything. At the same time. Remote start/stop with a clicker.
Carry a Champion 3100 as a "just in case" when not boondocking also with remote.

You need more generator wattage or you need to bite the bullet and purchase a hybrid inverter that will do load support.