A Preston Tucker redux??

You also have to consider that as far as actually moving away from ICE it's very early in the game. tsla doesn't have some profound new technology that no one else can use. Golf carts have used SCR motor controls and things like regenerative braking and ramp start long ago.

I believe it wont be long until an ev is built with brush less motors as part of the wheel assembly which reduces losses to the minimum. High horsepower brush less pancake motors are not new. On top of all that dont rule out hydrogen. When hydrogen is mentioned the jokers laugh about the Hindenburg but fail to realize about 100 years ago we were walking in horse ****. Technology changes and things that couldn't be done are done. tsla is nothing special and primarily based on belief inmo. It's not like the largest corporations in the world are all stepping aside and saying oh ok we give!

time2roll wrote:

Ralph Cramden wrote:
Its not so much the car failed, the man did from an economic perspective. There were no government subsidies then, at least not like now. It also doesn't help when you have 3 of the largest corporations in the country at the the time against you in anyway possible. How many politicians did GM and Ford have in their pocket in the late 40's? Case open! Perhaps Musk should study Tucker more.

For Tesla it turns out to be the Automotive Dealers Association.
When Musk busts through this anti competitive cronyism there will no stopping Tesla.

“Anti-competitive cronyism”?? ....LMAO!!!!...... Meanwhile, gov’t subsidy exploiting (Federal and State) Tesla is at the top of the heap for anti-competitive cronyism - in fact it is the bases of their business model!!.....Adding charging stations mearly helps to imbed this cult ideology....

Bottom line is that there has been ZERO ‘empirical’ Science to suggest that EV’s are better for the environment than other propulsion means, whether gasoline or natural gas!!.... Gov’t mandates and grants ($$) are whats behind this scheme, which without the science is all it truly is.....

I have nothing against EV’s and bet they are a blast to drive, but reject the popularized ‘All Aboard the EV craze’ - as your next door neighbor helps pay for your higher virtue and personal indulgence...No doubt (thanks to cronyism) EV’s are here to stay, but Musk’s Tesla seems to be stumbling while simultaneously promising the moon....

http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/report-teslas-assembly-speed-hurts-quality-control

With regards to a ‘purported cleaner environment’ BS, I’ll pass on the EV Kool-aid until the science (which is mearly assumed - nobody with vested interest seems interested in pursuing) is in..... Crickets from those who should be demanding these answers, without which is simply a juvenile endeavor - if not a cruel hoax...

3 tons

When the breast is in the wringer.

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Speculators have uncovered a KEY component of the TESLA battery that will make or break the price of the product.

And Hunt Bros philosophy is going to swim out to Mr Rourke's island.

Wealth through predation...

Without the ingredient the battery cannot be made. Let's see....today's market value times one thousand seems like a fair markup, for me.


COBALT

Is COBALT in your "futures"?

Corner the market? Why, why, why, Eldon Musk would never hear of it.

Sorry but Scrooge McDuck's Money Bin is not quite that large. Not to do a face off with commodities speculators. They are the true Orcas. Musk plays the part of the Blue Whale.

Anyway, where's my ******* moving sidewalk? And rocket pack?

The wife had a Chevy Cobalt once....does that count. It wasn't in her future as it was a POS.

Your moving sidewalk is outside at greater PIT. Not many use it....too **** slow lol.

Speculators have uncovered a KEY component of the TESLA battery that will make or break the price of the product.

And Hunt Bros philosophy is going to swim out to Mr Rourke's island.

Wealth through predation...

Without the ingredient the battery cannot be made. Let's see....today's market value times one thousand seems like a fair markup, for me.

COBALT

Is COBALT in your "futures"?

Corner the market? Why, why, why, Eldon Musk would never hear of it.

Sorry but Scrooge McDuck's Money Bin is not quite that large. Not to do a face off with commodities speculators. They are the true Orcas. Musk plays the part of the Blue Whale.

Anyway, where's my ******* moving sidewalk? And rocket pack?

azrving wrote:
When it goes under $300 reality will sink in.

When what goes under $300? A flight from NY to China? Or NY to Fantasy Island?

When it goes under $300 reality will sink in.

Not sure where SpaceX is headed. Mars and rocket planes are not on my radar.
Seems to be doing well reducing the cost of launching satellites into orbit.

time2roll wrote:

Ralph Cramden wrote:
Its not so much the car failed, the man did from an economic perspective. There were no government subsidies then, at least not like now. It also doesn't help when you have 3 of the largest corporations in the country at the the time against you in anyway possible. How many politicians did GM and Ford have in their pocket in the late 40's? Case open! Perhaps Musk should study Tucker more.

For Tesla it turns out to be the Automotive Dealers Association.
When Musk busts through this anti competitive cronyism there will no stopping Tesla.

Maybe.....Maybe not.

When a guy stands up and sincerely claims that within 7 years he's going to have a sub orbital rocket powered plane, that will get you from New York to Shanghai in less than an hour it makes you wonder. If you run his own numbers on that endeavor, and for benefit of a doubt knock 50% off of them, he'll need to fly 700 passengers @ $75K per seat to break even on that one, one way.

A big market out there for those $150K flights to China and back. Perhaps it will be piloted by Capt Clarence Oveur, Roger Murdock, and Victor Basta. Whats our Vector Victor, Roger Roger, Thats Roger Oveur, Roger. Timmy, have you ever seen a grown man naked? LOL

Ralph Cramden wrote:
Its not so much the car failed, the man did from an economic perspective. There were no government subsidies then, at least not like now. It also doesn't help when you have 3 of the largest corporations in the country at the the time against you in anyway possible. How many politicians did GM and Ford have in their pocket in the late 40's? Case open! Perhaps Musk should study Tucker more.

For Tesla it turns out to be the Automotive Dealers Association.
When Musk busts through this anti competitive cronyism there will no stopping Tesla.