Thanks Niner for a much needed clarification on group size. No way Jose is the Varta worth 200+ dollars. Cal/Cal batteries can survive as lomg as they never EVER are allowed to get overly-discharged multiple times or even once and have to endure it for a few times. Ah yes the old Delco FREEDOM batteries. Delco dumped them on Costco at a bargain and as senior management John Booth told me "We took it in the shorts on that one". Vehicles with abnormally high quiescient draws eat cal/cal like peanuts. Even emergency UPS lighting is shunning them now. Germans are brilliant but we must remember their Panzers and Tigers caused them nightmares at Kursk. But then again there was Lucas. Innovator of the first disposable car battery. USA battery manufacturing reins supreme. The Indians tried building sub batteries and the squealed for help from Exide.