Contradictions with EV’s

A hybrid has all the parts of an ice and more.

pianotuna wrote:
3 tons I agree with you on the subsidies. Products should stand on their own two feet.

On the other hand, I'll be looking for a good lightly used EV. I'm sure at least some folks will hate them. Their disappointment may be my joy.

If I needed a car (RET, so I don’t..) I’ll admit that environment aside, EV would be somewhat intriguing, but I believe that in many scenarios (user specific) an even stronger case overall ($$) might be made for the latest plug-in generation of hybrids, especially in the ‘harvest rich’ potentially self-supporting Sun-belt region :) …But that’s just me….Unfortunately, the grid (as is it is currently outfitted) is marginal at best, making a mass-EV transition problematic, and lithium is a relatively rare ‘big-bang moment only’ element, so of short term availability…Hopefully, in the near future we’ll soon see another carbon-friendly battery breakthrough that’ll take the place of lithium…

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From:

https://about.bnef.com/blog/the-lifecycle-emissions-of-electric-vehicles/

Break even is 27,000 kilometers (16777.022 miles) in USA.

3 tons I agree with you on the subsidies. Products should stand on their own two feet.

On the other hand, I'll be looking for a good lightly used EV. I'm sure at least some folks will hate them. Their disappointment may be my joy.

time2roll wrote:
If you can get past all the environmental and political junk..... EVs are fun to drive.

Admittedly, I’ve never driven one (but would love to!), but after once having gotten the opportunity to drive a diesel / traction motor locomotive (a switch engine, with over 1.25 million pounds in tow!!), the traction motor torque was incredible (and no transmission!).

I believe EV’s must be truly outstanding to drive, and that ultimately EV’s should stand alone on their own unfettered and fact-based merits…It’s in this light that I restrict my own criticisms to taxpayer funded subsidies (i.e. narrative-based wealth redistribution schemes), and ‘assertions’ surrounding a ‘net’ reduction in carbon…JMHO

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wa8yxm's correction made me look further.

Apparently the story about it being to slow down the typists, is nothing more than a myth.

You are a good man wa8yxm.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/qwerty-keyboard_n_3223611

Smoke and Mirrors

A thoughtful presentation. But like all others that focus on the energy required to make EV batteries, none mention the energy (and thus pollutants) required to produce gasoline or diesel fuels for ICE vehicles. It requires energy to extract oil from the earth. It requires energy to transport that oil to refineries by truck or rail (both burning more fuel producing more co2) or by pipeline by using energy to power pumps. Refineries use huge amounts of power refining the crude into gasoline and diesel. And those refineries are burning natural gas or oil (producing pollutants) to produce steam and electricity for the refining processes. And then fuel is burned by trucks to transport that gasoline and diesel to fueling stations. But no one ever adds the co2 and other pollutants produced in those processes to the total numbers actually produced by the ICE vehicles themselves. A not insignificant amount.
There is an old saying that statistics don’t lie. But it is common knowledge that those statistics can be cherry picked and twisted to agree with that person’s agenda.
I have no dog in this fight. But never consider any one person’s presentation, no matter how eloquently presented, as absolute fact. Look at all sides and make your own decisions.

If you can get past all the environmental and political junk..... EVs are fun to drive.

wa8yxm wrote:

And I am reminded that many really need to re-read something

ASCII is the character encoding for transmission IE: A=$65

QWERTY is they keyboard.

And as for mechanical linkages. No, they can both be Mechanical or all electronic you can actually make a keyboard with ZERO moving parts but it would be tricky .. Well we call it a touch screen.

wa8yxm,

Thanks for correcting my memory.