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bgrasspkr
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Jul 11, 2013

CPAP machine w/ inverter. How much power?

Hi Folks,

A little background. Not new to RVing, but starting to deal with battery issues more, now that I have a week long music festival coming up w/ no hookups. I decided that after last year, not knowing what I should about battery use, maintenance, etc, I figured I would learn EVERYTHING I could this year, by reading this forum. After about, oh maybe 1000 or so posts, I feel I have a really good knowledge basis, but a question looms.

My brother is visiting next week, and he wants to use his CPAP machine. He linked to good article, explaining the different models, and giving their current draw. His machine on 120AC, draws approx 2 amps. Thereis no DC mode, and it needs to be powered by a small inverter. My first question relates to the efficiency of various inverters on the market. I have read some posts giving detailed info on some of the better quality units, obtained from actual testing by the posters. I, however am stuck with one of 2 units. The first is a 300 W Radio Shack brand that I have had for many years. I use to use it for running a small TV and DVD player (in my cruiser when I was a police officer!!, before smartphones.)

The other is a 1000 watt off brand I bought from BJ's about 10 years ago to run a few lights when the power went off.

I just purchased 2 brand new Exide Group 27 Marine batteries to use( in parallel) exclusively for the unit. I know, Exides probably suck, just like every other Marine dual-purpose, but for 85 bucks a piece, I figured what the heck. I couldn't justify the more than double that for a true Deep Cycle like a Trojan, especially only using them maybe two or three times a year for boondock camping.

For this festival, I am also borrowing a nice little Honda 1000w generator from a friend, to top off these, as well as my house battery on the fifth wheel. I would like to use my Schumacher 3 stage charger ( 2-20-75 watt) on the 20 watt setting, to do this.

So, just how much battery do you think I will go through with just the CPAP running, IOW, how much more current are these inverters gonna eat up on me? I would do a test, but I am afraid to run the batteries down below 50 or 40 percent or more in the process, shortening their already crappy lifespan. I will be getting a new digital multimeter ( Radio Shack again?,other suggestions welcomed) to monitor the voltage of the bats, but I don't think its practical to try to wire it up to measure current draw in line with the inverters right now.

As the weather appears to be continuing a hot humid pattern the next week, I would love to run an AC window fan at night ( low setting of 3 speeds) also, but I know I am asking for trouble with that. I don't have the time right now to purchase a DC one, that would be more efficient.

So a few questions.

1. Do you think I am good with the 2 Group 27s for a good 7 hours straight, with one or the other inverter, w/ the CPAP?

2. Should I even think about the window fan?

3. Bonus question. If I run the bats down to 50 percent every night, ( I assume that would be about 100AH, one battery's worth) how long will I have to run my Honda 1000W gen w/ charger on 20 AMP setting to get back to 90%.

Thanks to all on this forum, I have gained a tremendous amount of knowledge this past year from all of you

edit: reading some other posts, looks like I'm gonna need a bigger charger, 20 amps aint enough. I don't wanna hear the gen for more than 3 hours

27 Replies

  • THe charge option on a Honda is terribly overated. Not much more than a trickle charger. Use the onboard converter to keep the batteries topped off. With a 1000 Honda you will still have to throttle the converter down to a very low rate in order to us it or the Honda will shut down.
  • Thanks Guys,

    I am sure he won't be using the humidifier, so I guess I'll be alright. I will check the brand again, and voltage requirements.

    n7sb, 6 nights with a group 24, I should be fine then, thanks. Now if I knew how much the window fan used, I'll be all set!

    Anybody know if the Honda can run on ECO mode while it is running the charger at 20 amps?
  • FYI, the charger in my rig charges the batteries faster then the 12VDC output of my Honda generator. This past weekend it took about 15 minutes to go from 50% to 90%.

    I have friends that can get 6 nights with their CPAP off a single group24 battery, with NO other loads.
  • BEWARE! ! !

    I tried a Respironics with a Samlex PURE SINE inverter and the machine went nuts. Hieroglyphics on the machine's screen. Lost all settings. The stored data on the data card was corrupted.

    Because of the WATER ISSUE (humification) most machines use LOW VOLTAGE direct current which is converted by a brick just like a laptop computer.

    My machine is TWELVE VOLTS D.C. (battery power). With a proper plug to fit the socket, a direct cigarette lighter socket/plug connection to the machine is appropriate. Most manufacturers in fact offer an ACCESSORY cigarette lighter cord to power machines. Operation is identical to that when using the brick and AC.

    Another caveat. CPAP and BiPAP manufacturers warn against leaving the machines connected to 12 volts DC when a charging source higher than recommended is seen in the 12 volt power system. So converter power is OK, but manufacturers do not like to see machines connected when the rig's engine is started. I would say 14.0 volts is about the limit for comfort.

    HUMIDIFIERS draw FOUR TIMES as much power as the blower and hardware. Around one amp with the humidifier shut off and five amps BATTERY POWER when the humidifier is HEATING. Unless it is very cold, humidifier heaters turn on and off as needed.

    Just for drill, the SAMLEX powering the Respironics with humidifier on drew EIGHT POINT FOUR amperes out of the battery bank. That is quite a penalty to pay for using an inverter, never mind the software scrambling.

    Not all inverters will do this, but I challenge anyone to come up with a MODIFIED sine wave inverter that will work with MY Respironics BiPAP.
  • If your brother doesn't use the humidifier on his CPAP, your two batteries should power it for several days without recharging. The Honda generator will take several hours to charge up the two batteries, unless you use two battery chargers, one for each battery. The problem with recharging batteries is it takes quite a bit of time to top them off and you really want to do that if possible. As for your other electrical demands, I don't know.

    I use a CPAP in our coach, and don't have any problems dry camping, but I have four deep cycle batteries that also power up everything in the coach.
  • Camp, Forest

    Do you run the CPAP with an inverter? He said he will not be using the heat function.
  • I can't answer the recharge questions, but two group 27's will be plenty to power the CPAP. I would advise your brother to run without the heat and humidifier on because those will use considerably more power. I use a CPAP with no heat/humidifier and we could camp for two nights in the winter with heater, lights and TV before we needed the generator.

    With two batteries, you should be able to run the fan and CPAP with no problems for a few nights before needing a recharge in my opinion.

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