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maillemaker
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Oct 08, 2017

How to lubricate fan bearings in furnace?

So in our 27-year-old Winnebago Warrior, we have a Suburban NT30KLT furnace.

In the last couple of years, the first time it fires up you can hear the fan bearing squalling a bit and then it quiets down. I'm sure it needs some oil. Presumably they use oil-impregnated bronze bushings in the motor assembly and I'm sure they have just dried out over the years.

I pulled the access hatch, but all you can see is the burner chambers. The squirrel cage fan is behind the heater box, and there is no access to it.

It appears the outside exhaust and intake frames screw into the side of the camper and hold the tubes tight on the furnace on the back end. I can't see anything that secures it from the front. Does it just pull out? Looks like I'd have to disconnect the gas line and the ductwork which is not going to be easy.

Any ideas?

Steve
  • As previously noted, the fan has bushings not roller or ball bearings. The squeal is because of bushing and shaft wear. Lubrication will only cause the squeal to go away for a short period of time. The motor needs to be replaced.

    Richard
  • Really amazing -

    Small ball bearings are not at all expensive. The motor case would cost more to manufacture but with a decent non Chinese bearing, a small motor bearing would last one hundred years.

    The soy-sauce sintered-bronze (If you think oil-lite quality bushing, you dream) bushings in today's junk does not respond well to lubing. Me and an expensive Harbor Freight (Well, it cost EIGHTY dollars!) rotary squirrel cage fan had a toe-to-toe knock down drag out fight about ten years ago. I was determined to ventilate a four room house and it was determined to commit seppuku. The fan had a few thousand hours of use. But what the heck it was a matter of lubrication.

    The fan upon startup began to make neighborhood dogs howl.

    I substituted a pair of Fantastic Endless breeze fans and went to work.

    Off came the squirrel cage and out came the fan motor. The Chinese thought it essential to demand use of a foot long tiny mm set screw allen wrench to get to the screw - don't ask.

    Out popped the armature. I spent a half-hour examining its windings to make sure I wasn't flogging a dead horse. All OK in the copper dept.

    The armature shaft was not shiny chrome looking. The school of hard knocks later showed that the "staining" was actually smeared bushing material but at the time I use fingers to determine the shaft was good to go as far as no grooves, taper or roughness.

    The bushing under a strong light, after alcohol, Q-tips and patience was used to clean out the interior of the knob-line sheet metal protrudence revealed the same smearing glaze that I saw on the armature shaft. Nothing to do but rub harder. I used brake cleaner but that did not remove the glaze. The Q-tips after rubbing came out shiny.

    Now it was time to lube. Being neurotic, I do not inventory just any oil, no, it has to be the "best" for sintered bushings



    Wait a minute! Wait a minute! I am not going to go through this again!

    I held the housing up high and drilled a 1/16" hole from the bottom up right in the center of the bushing knob.

    Then spent even more time flushing and cleaning out the inside of the "bore". I found only couple of good size chip residue with the Q-tips

    Then, I plastered a piece of oil proof adhesive patch on the outside of the sheet metal. Let it dry overnight.

    Then used an absurd amount of oil to fill the hole.

    Placed the armature shaft into the bushing bore and spent the next hour reassembling the fan.

    Plugged it in, tapped the rocker switch and TAH-DH, noise gone. Silent and powerful blast of air.

    Two weeks later I woke up in the middle of the night to a squealing fan. This time I smelled hot electrical.

    WHY!

    Back apart it went. Got to the bushing and shaft. The staining on the shaft was worse. Same with the shaft only this time the shaft did not feel mirror smooth.

    That oil I used was lab grade turbine oil. And there ain't no better lube for a slow speed bushing.

    MORAL OF THE STORY

    Never Again!

    PS: I was a hundred miles from the nearest store that sold larger fans. Harbor Freight? Make a left and don't take your foot off the gas for a thousand miles.

    PPS: Your mileage may vary
  • I don't think they have bearings - some have had luck with squirting oil. I have had some luck eliminating squeaks with various automobile fans by running them for an hour or so. I rarely use the heater in my 92 and when I started to get squeak I let the heater run for an hour ... that was 3 years ago and haven't heard a squeak since. I didn't think there was much downside - if my MacGyver didn't work then I was prepared to replace the motor. Worth a shot.
  • First, the fan has BUSHINGS, not bearings.

    And in many cases, they can be lubed in place. You need light-viscosity oil such as sewing machine oil in a dispenser with LONG tip.

    Place a few drops on the shaft right next to the motor. Repeat a couple of times-- the oil will "wick in".

    Note: This IS true for the Atwood furnace, suspect also applies to other brands.
  • On our trip in 2011 we were having the same problem and in Hill City with the temp hovering about 2i degrees, at about 02:00am, the darn thing woke half the campground with it's scream. Had I oiled the bearings earlier it would likely been good for a year or two more but eventually it is going to die at the most inconvenient time, so my recommendation is get a new motor or a new heater.

    It is a pain but you can find a new motor, they do exist. Contact Lichtsinn in Iowa and ask.

    No matter what you do, oil or replace, you will have to pull the heater. Exhaust intake tubes off, cabinet torn apart it is a royal pain. Then you have to get the squirrel cage off, be very careful, there are tools for doing it but harder to find than the motor, so if you can get a motor with the fan attached, DO IT.

    Have fun and good luck.

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