I want one!

3 tons wrote:

joelm wrote:
If only Tesla could design a truck powered by B.S., Musk could personally power entire fleets.

X2, Musk’s business model is fueled by a never ending gov’t subsidy scam without which there would be no profit - Oops, come to think of it, there already is NO PROFIT!!...Nothing new here except another ‘just in time’ stock value distraction and recycled fame, Musk is truly the Preston Tucker of our day - LOL!!.....Personally I’m not at all interested in subsidizing my fairly ‘well healed’ neighbor’s Glamorous new Model S, his solar system or Big Rigs that will only drive up the cost of living, but then again (for sentient thinkers), like sooooooo many other programs, this cronyism was NEVER Intended to be the role of Gov’t....But thats another story that has already tipped too far..

3 tons

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Btw about 7 milion people dies every year from air polution,,

About seven million people WHERE die every year from air pollution?

That would equal about one in every 44 Americans dying of air pollution every year. So the USA can't be the focus. China? China has about 7% of the autos per million than the USA or Europe. India has far fewer still. I know that in the mid east silica pulmonary damage from sandstorms is horrible.

We could drastically reduce motor vehicle pollution in USA cities by eliminating morning and evening rush hour traffic. Mexico has one of the best urban transportation networks going. It is rational and efficient to use the system for errands. The systems in the USA are horridly inefficient. That's why buses are not filled but freeway lanes are.

Speaking of pollution. Solar voltaic units are manufactured in China which not only kills its citizens with the worse air pollution ever to disgrace the planet earth the pollution is poisoning the South China Sea and Sea of Japan. So try and rationalize statements before uttering them. China has been turned into a poison pit by providing the earth with "clean energy".

Idiot statisticians try and chart pollution standards. I read numbers about China. They are fabricated out of thin air by their authors. China does not check and China does not reveal these kinds of state secrets. Furthermore would the Central Committee be provided with accurate numbers? Embarrassing numbers?

China has been using totally uncontrolled bituminous coal combustion to create electricity. Zero combustion efficiency - zero stack scrubbers. The plants that harvest and cut silica crystals have no emissions controls. Immense pollution created by extracting aluminum from Bauxite.

It's not easy to do but lowering sulfur in gasoline to 1-2 ppm would greatly reduce sulfur emissions. Vastly increasing production of alkylate to increase it's percentage in motor gasoline would also go a long way to help.

But the new Macarena in the environmental world is electricity. Oooommm. Current. Hare Watthour Hare Miracle. Chant with me...

LenSatic wrote:

free radical wrote:

LenSatic wrote:

free radical wrote:

LenSatic wrote:
Well, I only skimmed the posts here, but roughly 50% of a barrel of crude oil is cracked to gasoline and 10% for Jet-A. You crack a barrel of crude for your jet fuel, you are going to get gasoline, diesel, and fuel oil for heating plus other light lubricants. Jets aren't going solar or wind power ever and gasoline engine technology is getting better and better, mostly due to auto racing. Don't lose sleep or money over your automobiles. Go camping!

LS

Gas and diesel engine is patheticaly ineficient at maybe 35% while electric is 99%..
Now add all the polution and enviroment destruction diging for fosil fuels and 7 milion human deaths every year due to the same polution and it doesnt look all that great..

Jets may never be electric but small planes already are,the advantages are just that good..


https://youtu.be/Kb3OmhO7_ao

Good luck with that. I'm a pilot and probably the only one on this thread that lives 100% off-grid solar. I know the reality. ;)

LS

What is reality,,you recharge bateries and you go,,or fly as the case maybe,,whats the difference in watching the fuel gage or time left in bateries..?nada..

Bigest diference is cost of flying,,my money is on EV..

Like they say in the army..good soldier doesnt need luck!:p

Burning fuel reduces weight as you fly and also reduces the landing distance and stress on the brakes at the destination. The energy used from batteries weighs noting, the batteries do. Put some of the money you save on EV into learning to fly then get back to me.

LS

• MY complaint is about government -- far too much, too intense, and utterly ignorant
• And constituents who heads are stuck up (clouds)
• Electric cars have been MANDATED for California. Ever hear of a mandate -- like the one forbidding the sale or importation of an old fashioned battery charger?
• Governor BROWN set a date. Fine. Now they're latching on to halving the time of implementation of 100% electric vehicles
• I KNOW The People's Republic, after implementation they are going to TAX the living beejezus out of petroleum cars
• Let's see some BETTING ACTION on the above point
• California is the hub of "With a quarter-pound joint, there are no problems"
• So residents reject creation of ALL NEW FORMS of energy production except solar panels
• Windmills kill birds
• Dams kill salamanders
• Nuclear? Coal? Fuel Oil? Shirley you jest
• California government will grow another 25% to "regulate" electric cars
• It's about energy WASTE, Global Warming and above all REVENUE
• In Yuppie hives, like Sausalito and Silicon Valley they do not want to see above ground distribution lines never mind transmission towers
• They don't even want to see them on their way to work or on their way to the mountains to camp and eat synthetic organic dehydrated food
• This means the yuppies want the impossible dream and government "will pay for it all"
• Not one millisecond has been devoted to figuring out how this titanic new power grid and distribution network can be implemented
• Creation of kWh will be magic - like solar panels the province of government
• Weight reduction of recreational vehicles means extensive use of carbon graphite, aluminum and even magnesium to offset the weight of a four ton bank of batteries
• Motorhomes and trailers in excess of 30' will cease to exist
• Want something longer? A bus? It will be liquefied natural gas powered
• IF you think $200,000 base price for a 30' RV is expensive, just wait till you see the price of a bus
• Then the People's Republic will "Do The Right Thing". Put a four dollar per gallon environmental tax on gasoline. This will force refineries to raise their price
• This ALL sounds absolutely ABSURD. Yeah, until you look at what reality is comprised of in Europe. Stick your finger in the side of one of those babies "Ka-Boik Ka-Boik flimsy" garbage made for a long trip in Europe border to border, 290 miles.
  
  It's not the cars I'm worried about it's the government that intends to bloat and essentially end the "hideously irrational" RV lifestyle. Lobby groups like the Sierra Club wield an enormous power in Sacramento. On their way to the Sierras, they sneer and gag as they pass RVs in their BMWs and Mini Coopers.
  
  And the way California goes, so goes the rest of the nation.
  
  This ain't a bit goddamned funny.

down home wrote:
Someone here an Electrical Engineer, maybe, run the figures on hp and watts and amps on 80,000 lb, is light for a fully loaded semi though, and 6% grade ought to be about average.
You know the cables will be wanting to melt big time and batteries and motors will need a refrigerator.