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D_E_Bishop
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Feb 03, 2019

Malfunction in the Chassis Accessory circuit(long)

I'm sorry that this is so long but I have tried to answer as many pertinent questions as possible.

Winnebago uses two solenoids instead of a B.I.R.D. to control the battery hook up. One is a called a Battery Mode Solenoid and the other is called a Battery Disconnect Relay. Both solenoids are new and operate properly.

The battery disconnect relay’s function is obvious.

The battery mode solenoid, connects the two battery banks together when the engine is running and is commonly called an Auxiliary Start Solenoid, if either battery is too low to perform it’s function, you push the Auxiliary switch to join the two together.

While in “Q” for the shows I noticed that my batteries were always the same voltage. They charged and discharged as though one. It was not a great problem at that point and we continued on with our trip, returning 2-2-20. Yesterday was my first chance to check out the problem and I found the battery mode solenoid control wire was hot. In addition to using the aux switch to operate the solenoid, the Hot While Running circuit will actuate the solenoid. Several functions are connected to that circuit and they all seem to be operating properly. At least the circuit is coming on when the ignition switch is in the run position and off when in any other position

There are two ways to activate the solenoid, you can use the aux switch or the ignition hot when running circuit. The aux switch is used is used as a SPDT momentary ON switch with the mover running from the switch to the solenoid coil, a lead from the coach battery to the open side on the switch and the hot when running circuit to the NC contact. I removed the switch and disconnected the plug and the power to the solenoid turned off. Checked continuity of the switch and it operated properly. When I hooked my meter to the hot when running wire and turned the ignition on and off, no power.

I believe that there is at least one relay actuated by the ignition switch that controls the Hot When Running power out puts. One for the DRL and maybe one for the control for the mode solenoid. I am an electrician by trade and a fairly good shade tree mechanic but I am not a vehicle electrician, I find it frustrating to work on a circuit without knowing how things are supposed to be hooked up. I cannot find a Ford schematic for the Hot When Running circuit.

I need help in finding the individual components of that circuit. Anybody have any hints.

7 Replies

  • For the last two days I have been pouring over the schematics from Ford and Winnebago to find the source of the power to the Aux. Battery switch and to day I decided that no more reading and today it would be fixed.

    I checked every fuse and relay that was hot when running, all were in good shape. Then I poked and prodded the humongous mess of wire under the dash pod, in doing so I learned to tell at a glance which looms were Ford and Which were Winnebago. The schematic from the Winnie installed switches and accessories. Winnie's schematic showed a connector near the floor on the left side of the steering column. I tried and tried to find the wire Winnie said carried load when the engine was running all to no avail, until! I realized that the connector to the immediate left of the steering column was a Ford loom and not Winnebago. In addition it was through the firewall and not the floor.

    I found the circuit and it was hot with the key on, just as it is supposed to be. But at the first place back into the spaghetti of wires that it was accessible, it was dead.

    The wiring is so inaccessible I just ran an additional wire from the connector on the floor to the wire that provided the Hot When Running power and spliced it in.

    Success, the batteries both charge when the engine is running and all of the other accessories are also working.

    Tomorrow is tax day and Best Buy for some info on using cell phone when I have WiFi but not cell signal, Thursday will be climb on the roof and measure the Neo-Shape skylight and order the new skylight exterior dome and 50' of EZE Gutter for over the windshield and side windows.

    It should all be here in time for installation before our next trip the end of the month.
  • The March 2003 WIT Club News issue has the schematics for the Batt. Mode and Disconnect solenoids. I found it accidentally after an exhaustive search on Google. The schematics do not give the actual location of the relay that I am looking for, however, it does give the panel that has the relay. Tomorrow if it isn't to wet out, I'll track it down under the dash.

    The solenoid is just a standard heavy duty continuous duty solenoid.

    I have the schematics for my specific model and the general schematic for all Ford F53 based models after 1994.

    So I think that I now have 98 percent of what I was looking for.

    Thanks all.
  • I have the chassis wire schematic from Winnebago for our workhorse.
  • Mat and Bud thank you for your replies. Matt, I have the schematics for my rig, but not the ones for the Chassis, I was hopeing that someone might know the answer to my question so I proceed today.

    Bud, Winnebago uses the intellitec latching relay but they substituted a constant use HD solenoid for all the other stuff.

    I need to know what relay or gate is used by Ford in the F53 chassis for the Hot When Running circuit.
  • Dave,

    My neighbor has an older Winnie and he managed to get pretty good coach schematics right from them. Then all you have to do is get the service manual for the chassis and figure out how the two mesh. We did on his and it was not all that tough to do (I have worked as an electrician).

    What I can't do is remember how any of his worked. I remember locating the "Engine Running" "signal" but I do not remember other than something powered a small contactor (relay) that was a pretty typical automotive cube.

    Matt