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Oct 08, 2022

Mysterious Propane "Leak"

Sorry about the length but I hope with enough details someone can explain what is a mystery to me.

After 5 years or so my propane pigtails had hardened. Since the regulator was the original from 2004, I decided I should replace it also. What motivated both was what seem to be very slow leak. I left one of my half empty propane tanks with the valve open but without using any propane for several months. When I finally checked the tank was empty. I put in a new tank, charged the propane lines, ran both the stove and the furnace. I shut off the tank and noticed the regulator showed red after a couple hours. I switched the regulator to the other tank, opened and then closed the valve and again the regulator showed red in a couple of hours.

After changing the regulator and pigtails. I did a careful leak test. No soap bubbles and absolutely no propane odor. This time, I used the stove and furnace and then shut the valves. I expected to see a green indicator on the regulator for many hours. Instead it changed to red in well under 2 hours. I switched over and had the same results with the other tank. I did several checks and the pattern repeated with about 1 1/2 hours until the regulator changed from green to red. I checked for odors and leaks everywhere with no problems.

It has now been several days since I replaced the regulator and pigtails. Last night I did another test and the regulator was still green after 4 hours when I went to bed. Today I did another check and it took 8 hours for the regulator to show red.

Any ideas that can explain this or point to additional testing?

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After 5 years or so my propane pigtails had hardened. Since the regulator was the original from 2004, I decided I should replace it also. What motivated both was what seem to be very slow leak. I left one of my half empty propane tanks with the valve open but without using any propane for several months. When I finally checked the tank was empty. I put in a new tank, charged the propane lines, ran both the stove and the furnace. I shut off the tank and noticed the regulator showed red after a couple hours. I switched the regulator to the other tank, opened and then closed the valve and again the regulator showed red in a couple of hours.

After changing the regulator and pigtails. I did a careful leak test. No soap bubbles and absolutely no propane odor. This time, I used the stove and furnace and then shut the valves. I expected to see a green indicator on the regulator for many hours. Instead it changed to red in well under 2 hours. I switched over and had the same results with the other tank. I did several checks and the pattern repeated with about 1 1/2 hours until the regulator changed from green to red. I checked for odors and leaks everywhere with no problems.

It has now been several days since I replaced the regulator and pigtails. Last night I did another test and the regulator was still green after 4 hours when I went to bed. Today I did another check and it took 8 hours for the regulator to show red.

Any ideas that can explain this or point to additional testing?","body@stringLength":"1661","rawBody":"Sorry about the length but I hope with enough details someone can explain what is a mystery to me.

After 5 years or so my propane pigtails had hardened. Since the regulator was the original from 2004, I decided I should replace it also. What motivated both was what seem to be very slow leak. I left one of my half empty propane tanks with the valve open but without using any propane for several months. When I finally checked the tank was empty. I put in a new tank, charged the propane lines, ran both the stove and the furnace. I shut off the tank and noticed the regulator showed red after a couple hours. I switched the regulator to the other tank, opened and then closed the valve and again the regulator showed red in a couple of hours.

After changing the regulator and pigtails. I did a careful leak test. No soap bubbles and absolutely no propane odor. This time, I used the stove and furnace and then shut the valves. I expected to see a green indicator on the regulator for many hours. Instead it changed to red in well under 2 hours. I switched over and had the same results with the other tank. I did several checks and the pattern repeated with about 1 1/2 hours until the regulator changed from green to red. I checked for odors and leaks everywhere with no problems.

It has now been several days since I replaced the regulator and pigtails. Last night I did another test and the regulator was still green after 4 hours when I went to bed. Today I did another check and it took 8 hours for the regulator to show red.

Any ideas that can explain this or point to additional testing?","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2022-10-08T12:26:57.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3627670_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":10603},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Sorry about the length but I hope with enough details someone can explain what is a mystery to me. 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3 tons wrote:

How so?? From my perspective, getting colder would decrease pressure, thereby increasing the leak down time.

3 tons

True, but it would also \"shrink\" the metal, perhaps allowing for more clearance in the component that is leaking.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-10-19T10:38:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-10-19T10:38:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":820},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3627670/message:3627716","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"302","rawBody":"

3 tons wrote:

How so?? From my perspective, getting colder would decrease pressure, thereby increasing the leak down time.

3 tons

True, but it would also \"shrink\" the metal, perhaps allowing for more clearance in the component that is leaking.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3627716_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:336183":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:336183","uid":336183,"login":"3_tons","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-03-13T16:17:19.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:336183"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627715":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3627715","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3627715":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:336183"},"id":"message:3627715","revisionNum":1,"uid":3627715,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3627670"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3627670"},"subject":"Re: Mysterious Propane \"Leak\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627715"},"body":"

StirCrazy wrote:
3 tons wrote:
“So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?”

However, note that the temperature is what changed…

3 tons

getting colder should have made it faster not longer.

How so?? From my perspective, getting colder would decrease pressure, thereby increasing the leak down time.

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StirCrazy wrote:
3 tons wrote:
“So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?”

However, note that the temperature is what changed…

3 tons

getting colder should have made it faster not longer.

How so?? From my perspective, getting colder would decrease pressure, thereby increasing the leak down time.

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3 tons wrote:
“So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?”

However, note that the temperature is what changed…

3 tons

getting colder should have made it faster not longer.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-10-18T17:27:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-10-18T17:27:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":821},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3627670/message:3627714","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"296","rawBody":"

3 tons wrote:
“So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?”

However, note that the temperature is what changed…

3 tons

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JimK-NY wrote:
So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?

Keep going and this should extend to a few day or a week+. ;)

At these levels the only way is to start isolating items.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-10-18T10:02:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-10-18T10:02:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":820},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3627670/message:3627713","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"280","rawBody":"

JimK-NY wrote:
So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?

Keep going and this should extend to a few day or a week+. ;)

At these levels the only way is to start isolating items.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3627713_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627712":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3627712","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3627712":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:336183"},"id":"message:3627712","revisionNum":1,"uid":3627712,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3627670"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3627670"},"subject":"Re: Mysterious Propane \"Leak\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627712"},"body":"“So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?”

However, note that the temperature is what changed…

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However, note that the temperature is what changed…

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When I first replaced pigtails and the regulator, after shutting off the tank, the empty indicator on the regulator showed red in 2 hours of less. I think I check that several times. A day or so later, I tested and found the indicator took 6-8 hours to turn red.

The tank has been open for the past 10 days with no other work and no appliances in use. I tried another leak test. I went to bed 14 hours after shutting off the tank and the indicator was still green. This morning after 20 hours and a 15 degree drop in temperature, the indicator was red.

So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-10-18T07:46:06.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-10-18T07:46:06.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":643},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3627670/message:3627710","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"712","rawBody":"More mystery!!

When I first replaced pigtails and the regulator, after shutting off the tank, the empty indicator on the regulator showed red in 2 hours of less. I think I check that several times. A day or so later, I tested and found the indicator took 6-8 hours to turn red.

The tank has been open for the past 10 days with no other work and no appliances in use. I tried another leak test. I went to bed 14 hours after shutting off the tank and the indicator was still green. This morning after 20 hours and a 15 degree drop in temperature, the indicator was red.

So how does the leak test go from under 2 hours to 6 hours and now to over 14 hours without any changes?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3627710_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627709":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3627709","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3627709":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:336183"},"id":"message:3627709","revisionNum":1,"uid":3627709,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3627670"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3627670"},"subject":"Re: Mysterious Propane \"Leak\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627709"},"body":"

Grit dog wrote:
3 tons wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
3 tons wrote:
My camper has been sitting for about a month with the propane bottle shut off. After each use, I first shut off the appliances before shutting off the tank valve, because the camper rest in our RV garage…FWIW, after all this time I just checked and the regulator valve is still showing green…

The one thing that I can say is that teflon tape is not intended for use on any of the threaded brass fittings having tapered-ends…

3 tons

You included an extra word when you said “not” in the last sentence.
Hopefully no one follows those directions and just tries to crank pipe thread fittings together without tape or pipe dope….

Wrong, the operative word I used is ‘tapered’ (meaning a compression fitting)…With this type fitting no teflon or pipe dope is used because it might interfere with the compression seal, thereby resulting in a leak…Compression is what does the sealing-in of the gas (and why their use for gases…), threads are not what does the sealing…

For an example check this out at about 13 min in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBRMRAZykJs

3 tons

10-4.
Flare or compression fittings. Yup.
I read as tapered threads.
Apologies.

No apologies needed, lots of understandable confusion about this, additional clarity is warranted.

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Grit dog wrote:
3 tons wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
3 tons wrote:
My camper has been sitting for about a month with the propane bottle shut off. After each use, I first shut off the appliances before shutting off the tank valve, because the camper rest in our RV garage…FWIW, after all this time I just checked and the regulator valve is still showing green…

The one thing that I can say is that teflon tape is not intended for use on any of the threaded brass fittings having tapered-ends…

3 tons

You included an extra word when you said “not” in the last sentence.
Hopefully no one follows those directions and just tries to crank pipe thread fittings together without tape or pipe dope….

Wrong, the operative word I used is ‘tapered’ (meaning a compression fitting)…With this type fitting no teflon or pipe dope is used because it might interfere with the compression seal, thereby resulting in a leak…Compression is what does the sealing-in of the gas (and why their use for gases…), threads are not what does the sealing…

For an example check this out at about 13 min in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBRMRAZykJs

3 tons

10-4.
Flare or compression fittings. Yup.
I read as tapered threads.
Apologies.

No apologies needed, lots of understandable confusion about this, additional clarity is warranted.

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Even replacing toilet parts is a task I hate. Even the shutoff valves never seem to work and always leak afterwards. Anyway, my knowledge of plumbing parts, valves, fittings, etc is poor. First time I had an old stiff and leaking pigtail, I tightened the Acme fitting until it cracked. It seemed like a really poor design, so I used lots of teflon tape on the replacement. Of course, I also used plenty of teflon on the 1/4\" inverted male fitting. I was lucky I didn't have a leak. Fortunately I also learned better. Otherwise I would have been using a foot of teflon tape every time I changed the tank.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2022-10-17T04:35:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-10-17T04:35:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":643},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3627670/message:3627708","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"693","rawBody":"I don't mind electrical or most mechanical work, but I absolutely hate plumbing. Even replacing toilet parts is a task I hate. Even the shutoff valves never seem to work and always leak afterwards. Anyway, my knowledge of plumbing parts, valves, fittings, etc is poor. First time I had an old stiff and leaking pigtail, I tightened the Acme fitting until it cracked. It seemed like a really poor design, so I used lots of teflon tape on the replacement. Of course, I also used plenty of teflon on the 1/4\" inverted male fitting. I was lucky I didn't have a leak. Fortunately I also learned better. Otherwise I would have been using a foot of teflon tape every time I changed the tank.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3627708_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:38":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:38","position":27,"name":"Nomad II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:31":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:31","uid":31,"login":"JBarca","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-12-16T17:19:19.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:38"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:31"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627707":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3627707","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3627707":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:31"},"id":"message:3627707","revisionNum":1,"uid":3627707,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3627670"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3627670"},"subject":"Re: Mysterious Propane \"Leak\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3627707"},"body":"I am going to mention something to maybe help diffuse something before it gets taken out of context, again.

Sometimes it is better to ask for clarification, then throwing darts in words.

I have been building machines for 40 years, in both the machine tool and food industries. Each industry has different slang and names for things that are used every day in their respective industry.

When brass machined fittings are called out, the ends of the fitting can have several names used by tradesmen.

NPT in the US I think we can all agree on, has tapered threads on pipe and fittings that require a thread sealant when making a pressure seal.

We also have other fittings that have tapered ends on them that are made out of brass, steel, plastic and other materials. The tapered ends are part of a compression seal setup that does \"not\" require sealant in the joint. The pipe or tube used to join with the tapered end fitting, has a flared taper on it to match the fitting and create a pressure tight seal without sealant.

Now to common brass fittings used in LP gas systems used in campers. There are a variety of them, some are all NPT tapered thread on all ends, while others can have only tapered flare ends or a combination of both. Here is where the joint naming can be miss read as the word taper shows up in both cases and may means something different pending ones background.

To me, a brass adapter fitting with a tapered end on it, I call it a flare fitting, not a tapered end fitting as that is from my background and industry I worked in. Other industries may call them out differently.

If any one has heard of Parker, they are one of the big fitting manufactures I used that they refer to them as flared fittings also. Again in the industry I have worked in. Other industries may call them something else.

There is 37 degree flare style made from steel for high pressure, https://ph.parker.com/us/en/37-flare-fittings

And there is 45 degree flare for lower pressure and the LP gas fittings we find in our campers. https://ph.parker.com/us/en/45-flare-fittings

A brass adapter fitting could have NPT tapered thread on one end and a 45 degree flared male or female connection on the other end. You use thread sealant on the NPT end and no sealant on the flared end.

While a flared fitting has a taper on the end, in the industries I come from, the taper word is not used in the call out, we use the word flare or flared end.

Hope this helps

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Sometimes it is better to ask for clarification, then throwing darts in words.

I have been building machines for 40 years, in both the machine tool and food industries. Each industry has different slang and names for things that are used every day in their respective industry.

When brass machined fittings are called out, the ends of the fitting can have several names used by tradesmen.

NPT in the US I think we can all agree on, has tapered threads on pipe and fittings that require a thread sealant when making a pressure seal.

We also have other fittings that have tapered ends on them that are made out of brass, steel, plastic and other materials. The tapered ends are part of a compression seal setup that does \"not\" require sealant in the joint. The pipe or tube used to join with the tapered end fitting, has a flared taper on it to match the fitting and create a pressure tight seal without sealant.

Now to common brass fittings used in LP gas systems used in campers. There are a variety of them, some are all NPT tapered thread on all ends, while others can have only tapered flare ends or a combination of both. Here is where the joint naming can be miss read as the word taper shows up in both cases and may means something different pending ones background.

To me, a brass adapter fitting with a tapered end on it, I call it a flare fitting, not a tapered end fitting as that is from my background and industry I worked in. Other industries may call them out differently.

If any one has heard of Parker, they are one of the big fitting manufactures I used that they refer to them as flared fittings also. Again in the industry I have worked in. Other industries may call them something else.

There is 37 degree flare style made from steel for high pressure, https://ph.parker.com/us/en/37-flare-fittings

And there is 45 degree flare for lower pressure and the LP gas fittings we find in our campers. https://ph.parker.com/us/en/45-flare-fittings

A brass adapter fitting could have NPT tapered thread on one end and a 45 degree flared male or female connection on the other end. You use thread sealant on the NPT end and no sealant on the flared end.

While a flared fitting has a taper on the end, in the industries I come from, the taper word is not used in the call out, we use the word flare or flared end.

Hope this helps

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