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NRALIFR
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Jan 18, 2021

New Thermostat Question

I have this furnace in my TC.



There are only two connections to the thermostat, and they are labeled “Thermo” and “+Thermo”



I’m installing a new thermostat, and it’s connected like this. G is connected to G, and W is connected to W.



Both the AC and furnace work as they should. The issue I’m wanting to resolve is the FAN switch on the t-stat doesn’t turn the furnace fan on when it’s in the “On” position. It behaves as if the FAN switch is always in “Auto”. I would like to be able to manually turn on the furnace fan, if that’s possible. I don’t need to control the AC fan manually.

The original t-stat was a mechanical type, and I can’t remember if it had a fan Auto/On switch or not. I suspect it didn’t. I replaced the mechanical stat many years ago with a RiteTemp digital programmable model. The new t-stat had the ability to wire the fan Auto/On switch so that it would function as a Hi/Lo switch, which I did. The AC has a two-speed fan, but the furnace doesn’t. I found that I never used the High fan speed though, because the AC will freeze us out on low.

The buttons on the RiteTemp have gotten difficult to use, and we never use the programmable function of it, so I’ve replaced it with a non-programmable model.

The way this was all installed by Lance, is the “Thermo” and +Thermo” wires, that are clearly labeled on the furnace pigtail, were run to the wall t-stat location. I’ve verified with a VOM that the two blue wires in this plug:



Are these two wires behind the wall t-stat.



As you can see, they aren’t connected to the t-stat. They are connected to the pink and purple wires in the 8-wire cable, which runs up to the roof AC. I assume they run through a relay in the AC to prevent the furnace and AC being turned on together.

Is there a way to wire the furnace to the wall t-stat so that the Fan Auto/On switch will turn the fan on manually?

:):)
  • Thanks Bman, I’m going to look into doing that. I would only be using this when we either have shore power, or I leave my Yamaha 1000 “buzzing away all night” to provide power for extended periods. All that’s needed is to keep the waste tanks above freezing.

    If I do this, it will of course have a separate on/off switch. What if I also ran that circuit through a PWM speed control to slow the fan motor down? I doubt it needs to run at full speed to do what I need.

    Any comments or opinions?

    :):)
  • I just replaced the circuit board in my Atwood furnace and Doug is correct...where the T-stat wires connect to the board, closing that circuit starts the ignition sequence. However, on my board there were 2 separate terminals for fan and 12v+. As part of my troubleshooting, I could apply 12v directly to the fan terminal and get the fan to run.

    So you could in theory run a separate wire to the fan terminal on the board that you could control by a switch. Even if you couldn't get the wire back to the T-stat, you could a mini slide switch or similar close by the furnace.

    The fan would then get 12v either from the thermostat powering the board to start the ignition sequence, or directly from your bypass circuit that only powers the fan.

    One of the reasons for the factory set up is that the a/c fan runs on 120v, so when you have shore power you can leave the fan on as long as you want, no issues. The furnace fan runs on 12v and consumes a lot of wattage. Overriding the furnace fan in the "on" position when boondocking will kill your batteries in very short order....
  • dougrainer wrote:
    NO. RV Furnace fans CANNOT be operated by itself. Once the Furnace fan comes ON, then the ignition sequence happens. ALL the 2 wires do is transmit the 12 volts TO the furnace to start a Heat cycle. Nothing else. When you ask for heat, the wall tstat sends the 12 volts TO the furnace and then it operates until the Wall tstat is satisfied. Doug


    Thanks Doug. I had a feeling that’s what the answer was going to be.

    The new digital t-stat should do everything I need it to do, without the added complications of having to override the programmable functions that the RiteTemp stat wanted to default to.

    I thought I needed a programmable t-stat and the two-speed fan control at one time, but discovered after using it for several years that I really didn’t.

    It’s a nicer looking thermostat too.



    :):)
  • BFL13 wrote:
    You are asking for the fan to run but not have the gas/ignition sequence to follow. I suppose you could run parallel (? a second set anyway) wires to just the fan part, by-passing the circuit board etc, with a switch on those wires so just the fan would run.

    Can't you run the A/C fan now without turning on the A/C? ISTR that is available to just circulate the air.


    Correct. It would be advantageous to be able to run the furnace fan without the furnace producing heat when I’m heating just with electricity. The furnace also heats the black and gray tank area, and when the temps get down in the teens and lower, I have to make sure the furnace runs once in a while so the dump valves don’t freeze.

    The way things are installed right now, neither the AC nor the furnace fan will turn on manually.

    Thanks.

    :):)
  • You are asking for the fan to run but not have the gas/ignition sequence to follow. I suppose you could run parallel (? a second set anyway) wires to just the fan part, by-passing the circuit board etc, with a switch on those wires so just the fan would run.

    Can't you run the A/C fan now without turning on the A/C? ISTR that is available to just circulate the air.
  • NO. RV Furnace fans CANNOT be operated by itself. Once the Furnace fan comes ON, then the ignition sequence happens. ALL the 2 wires do is transmit the 12 volts TO the furnace to start a Heat cycle. Nothing else. When you ask for heat, the wall tstat sends the 12 volts TO the furnace and then it operates until the Wall tstat is satisfied. Doug