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bkf
Explorer
Nov 09, 2018

Power rapidly cycling / fluttering on only one breaker

Hi all.
I started a discussion a little while ago about some electrical issues. That discussion was more about my batteries, which were old and have been replaced. But I'm still having issues, so I wanted to start a new discussion to narrow things down.

My current situation is:

* I'm on 50amp shoreline.

* I've got a Magnum inverter + charger.

* My breaker box, inside the RV, has a number of breakers. The only breakers that I think matters for the purposes of this discussion is a 30amp breaker that other 15amp breakers seem to be connected to / through. (Sorry, I'm not an electrician, though I am handy. There are other 15amp breakers that are "downstream" of the 30amp breaker. There's also a 50amp breaker that controls the whole breaker box.)

* That 30amp breaker also controls power to the Magnum inverter+charger.

* There are some outlets in the RV that are through that 30amp breaker, and some that aren't.

I've already replaced that 30amp breaker, just in case.

The Problem:

The power from that 30amp breaker will occasionally start "cycling" or "tripping" or "flickering" or "fluttering". Digital devices (like a cable modem) will power cycle. Analog devices (like a heater) will see their lights flicker/flutter. The Magnum will click on and off about once every second. This has happened in the past few months, but seems to be getting worse, to the point where it seems to be happening once or twice a day now.

I've got a Klein outlet tester (the kind with the 3 lights) and it's lighting up "hot/ground reverse", which I believe is actually indicative of an open neutral. When the power from the breaker is doing this, the Klein will flicker back and forth, in sync with the clicks from the Magnum. A quick off/on every second or so. The Magnum remote, inside, indicates various vault messages: High ACV, AC Overload, Overtemp.

Once the power starts doing this, it doesn't seem to naturally recover. I can sometimes get it to recover back to normal if I turn the breaker off for a few minutes. It might help if, when I do that, I have a decreased load on the other outlets. I can't tell if that actually makes a difference, though.

Note that the breakers do not flip when this happens.

I've replaced the breakers (the 30amp and a downstream 15amp). I've replaced the 50amp plug on my shoreline power. I've replaced the batteries. (Almost surely unrelated but they were old.)

Again, some of the outlets are fine. The outlets that aren't controlled by that 30amp breaker are completely fine.

I've had an non-RV electrician out (there aren't any RV specialists where I am), but he keeps suggesting adding another outlet, which seems pointless to me.

So, questions:
* Does anybody know what the cause could be?
* Does anybody have an idea if the Magnum might be the cause instead of a symptom? (I can't easily disconnect the Magnum, as far as I can tell.)
* Anything else I should do to narrow down the cause? I've got a multimeter and various testers, but I don't feel super comfortable with 50amp power.

Thanks for any advice and knowledge!

18 Replies

  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    You say "power from the breaker is "Fluttering" which should not be possible but.. Read on.

    Are you sure it is power from the breaker to the Magnum and not the Magnum that is the issue? (Hook a volt meter up where it can tell.

    Assuming it is as you said Power TO the Magnum. not from it. The suspect list:

    Bad breaker (I know you said it is new. but that don't mean it is not bad).
    Breaker not fully seated
    Loose screw.. Breaker or White bus bar (odds are the breaker screw is tight since you replaced it)
    Broken wire breaker to Magnum
    Loose connection: Magnum end of wire

    After that the inverter itself becomes suspect.
  • donn0128 wrote:
    CHECK YOUR INCOMING VOLTAGE
    Yes, I am screaming. What your saying sounds like classic high incoming votage.


    Update: I've managed to catch it in the act and have confirmed that one of the incoming 50amp poles is spiking occasionally. Thanks for the help!
  • Thanks, all!

    > CHECK YOUR INCOMING VOLTAGE

    Thanks. Just checked YouTube and looks like using the multimeter on the socket's fine. I'll check it in the morning and report back.

    > Who installed the Magnum?

    It's stock, installed by Coachmen (Cross Country, Sportscoach, whatever). Had it 6 years, never had any issues with it.

    > The inverter has a transfer switch (a relay, basically) that normally will pass through the shore power when it is on to the connected circuits,

    Ah, that makes sense, and now seems obvious, but I hadn't thought about that. Thanks. I'll see if I can monitor the voltage on that in the morning.
  • It indeed could be the inverter at fault, but that is far from the only possibility. The 30A breaker goes to the inverter unit. The inverter has a transfer switch (a relay, basically) that normally will pass through the shore power when it is on to the connected circuits, or switch to send them inverter power when needed. It sounds as though this may be switching back and forth when by appearances it oughtn't be doing so.

    I would check carefully for a loose connection somewhere between the 30A breaker and the inverter to start with. This could be in either the neutral or hot line. I would also monitor the AC voltage on the two legs; if one is high and the other low (possibly alternating or switching somewhat randomly) you almost certainly have a poor or loose neutral connection somewhere between the power company and your RV electric panel. If that is the case get it fixed post haste.
  • Who installed the Magnum? But I assume you are plugged into utility power. Reverse polarity is what it says... hot and neutral are reversed. You may have multiple issues so you need to start separating stuff. Divide and conquer. Very likely you need a real electrical person to review what is going on.
  • CHECK YOUR INCOMING VOLTAGE
    Yes, I am screaming. What your saying sounds like classic high incoming votage.
  • Your posts are HUGELY long. You need a professional repair.

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