Simply Stunning Solar Farm Image (Image Is HUGE!)

azrving wrote:
There are people out there that get vile when you try to tell them that just because a Tesla has no tailpipe it doesnt mean it's zero emission. There isnt a great deal of difference in pollution between ice an ev when measured from well to wheel. Some say that ev is actually worse. They also cant grasp that the majority of the energy is coming from coal and nat gas.

Even powered 100% on coal the EV is cleaner. Need to check the efficiency of the coal plant at about 60% to the ICE engine of about 30%. Personally my solar produces more than my vehicle consumes.

drsteve wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/images/charts/primary_energy_production_by_major_source.png
The train is still in the station. No rush. :C

Your chart is for all forms of energy consumption, not just electrical generation.

Here is the breakdown, from the same source.

No. My chart was for all forms of energy production, not consumption. Responding to the small portion provided by renewables compared to the rest. They're barely ahead of hydro-electric. Look again.

There are people out there that get vile when you try to tell them that just because a Tesla has no tailpipe it doesnt mean it's zero emission. There isnt a great deal of difference in pollution between ice an ev when measured from well to wheel. Some say that ev is actually worse. They also cant grasp that the majority of the energy is coming from coal and nat gas. These are the people who burn down houses and apt building while they are being built. They also dont realize where that trash can full of iv bags, hoses, gloves and other medical stuff come from during the stomach check that I just had done.

An ice gets more effecient as it's fuel tank empties, an EV is still hauling around a 1200 pound carcus as it empties.

MDKMDK wrote:
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/images/charts/primary_energy_production_by_major_source.png
The train is still in the station. No rush. :C

Your chart is for all forms of energy consumption, not just electrical generation.

Here is the breakdown, from the same source.

The future!

Especially atop the landfill of depleted solar panels :(

Mirrors focusing SUNs heat on a collection chamber have been used to heat Mineral Oil and Molten Salt.
The absorbed heat is then used to generate Steam used to drive a turbine/generator and produce AC Power.

Both are very old technology, inefficient, costly (DOE subsidized), low MW output and plagued with problems
Mineral Oil FIRES
Molten Salt abrasive/corrosive to pipes/tank

Worked at both types of plants in 1980s.
Also a 'Coal Gasification' plant
As soon as DOE monies dried up....plants got shut down ASAP

Fossil Fuel MW output is tough to beat (not counting NUKES)


Solar output is roughly ONE MW per 650 homes. (Gigawatts :H )
China 750,000=====1200MW on 25000 acres
BUT China has LOTS of acreage to use

Like geothermal plants...

Without heavy subsidy they are a massive loser. It takes high alloy steel for plumbing and then the plumbing has to be recycled when mineral deposits build up.

In 20 years when the panels become useless, please tell me there is a program that does not require massive amounts of electricity to effectively recycle the product.

"Don't worry be happy" LMAOROTF hucksterism is for the young who have never been stung. Tens of thousands of acres in China yield 150 gigawatts of power DURING THE DAYLIGHT. Now tell me if 75 gigawatts day and night (with opium pipe grade electrical storage) is enough to power a projected fifty million motor vehicles in California?

"What does your son do for a living?"
"Oh he joined with 50,000 other youths in the state's minimum wage 'solar panel wiping corps'. He likes it better than burger flipping"

Hurry up with my hydrogen one ton 4x4 pickup

Solana solar array at Gila Bend, AZ is an interesting sight when you happen across it on I-8. We stopped for a look, thinking it was just another PV plant, but later did a little internet search and learned about power generation and storage using molten salt. Not recommended for use with tequila and lemons, apparently.
It's had it's share of problems, too, according to more recent articles.