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DesertMax
Explorer
May 30, 2016

Solar Panels - The Good, the Bad and the Cheap!

Hi Guys, I've been getting a lot of help from the knowledgeable staff and members here at RV net and wanted in this post to focus on one thing only and that is the solar charger itself: that all important sun getter on the roof!
For me, quality has been of highest concern with everything I do in my technical life. I have never bought cheap and have often watched a family member replace an item over & over because they loved the "deal" they got. Buying price instead of quality can bite you in the bum!

I researched the difference in mono to poly panels and mono seems to have the specs and of course with that comes the higher price. Now it appears that price could be getting lower for what appears to be the same good quality. My first TC had a Siemens SM55 Panel and I appreciated the quality and the results it produced.

My new rig has 2 of these and while I have yet to flip them over to gather exact data from the backs of the panels, I am confident they are in the 50W area just like mine..

So the question that I have now is this: Is one 150W panel of high quality really "better" than 3 50W panels of equal individual quality?

Where "cheap" and "quality" meet???

40 Replies

  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
    Explorer III
    B isn't the way to go, unless those old 50W don't work well. test them.

    If they are Ok, then either A,
    or C: get 100-150W panel and wire in parallel to those 2*50W.

    150W is so little, almost nothing.

    You might want to read This on panel wiring.

    On the quality: I prefer paying more upfront and getting parts that will work well and will last a long time. I'm also trying to avoid buying things that I can do without, no matter how good deal.

    With controllers you get what you pay for. With panels - not really. I don't see anything particularly wrong with those 150W in your link (though would prefer them Polycrystalline). 5-7 years ago Mono were more efficient than Poly, but today Poly works better in most scenarios. The price is reasonable for 12V panels. High voltage / high wattage panels cost 2-3 times less per watt.
  • DesertMax wrote:
    Pull the 2 existing panels and purchase one new 150W panel.
    Since I like to tilt my panels, I would pull them and go with one. And I don't like a lot of parallel wiring connections either.
  • pianotuna wrote:
    Hi

    Each connection you make increases the risk of failure. There may also be more roof penetrations with multiple panels.

    If I had my choice, I would go with a single 150 watt instead of three 50 watt units. I would choose poly over mono from what has been reported here.

    btw that is not a particularly good price.

    DesertMax wrote:
    I would choose poly over mono from what has been reported here.


    pianotuna, I am curious as to why you would favor poly over mono:


    From an online article: at energy informative dot org

    "Monocrystalline Silicon Solar Cells

    Solar cells made of monocrystalline silicon (mono-Si), also called single-crystalline silicon (single-crystal-Si), are quite easily recognizable by an external even coloring and uniform look, indicating high-purity silicon.
    Monocrystalline solar cells are made out of silicon ingots, which are cylindrical in shape. To optimize performance and lower costs of a single monocrystalline solar cell, four sides are cut out of the cylindrical ingots to make silicon wafers, which is what gives monocrystalline solar panels their characteristic look.

    A good way to separate mono- and polycrystalline solar panels is that polycrystalline solar cells look perfectly rectangular with no rounded edges.

    Advantages

    Monocrystalline solar panels have the highest efficiency rates since they are made out of the highest-grade silicon. The efficiency rates of monocrystalline solar panels are typically 15-20%. SunPower produces the highest efficiency solar panels on the U.S. market today. Their E20 series provide panel conversion efficiencies of up to 20.1%.[3] Update (April, 2013): SunPower has now released the X-series at a record-breaking efficiency of 21.5%. [7]
    Monocrystalline silicon solar panels are space-efficient. Since these solar panels yield the highest power outputs, they also require the least amount of space compared to any other types. Monocrystalline solar panels produce up to four times the amount of electricity as thin-film solar panels.
    Monocrystalline solar panels live the longest. Most solar panel manufacturers put a 25-year warranty on their monocrystalline solar panels.
    Tend to perform better than similarly rated polycrystalline solar panels at low-light conditions.

    Disadvantages

    Monocrystalline solar panels are the most expensive. From a financial standpoint, a solar panel that is made of polycrystalline silicon (and in some cases thin-film) can be a better choice for some homeowners.
    If the solar panel is partially covered with shade, dirt or snow, the entire circuit can break down. Consider getting micro-inverters instead of central string inverters if you think coverage will be a problem. Micro-inverters will make sure that not the entire solar array is affected by shading issues with only one of the solar panels.
    The Czochralski process is used to produce monocrystalline silicon. It results in large cylindrical ingots. Four sides are cut out of the ingots to make silicon wafers. A significant amount of the original silicon ends up as waste.
    Monocrystalline solar panels tend to be more efficient in warm weather. Performance suffers as temperature goes up, but less so than polycrystalline solar panels. For most homeowners temperature is not a concern."

    ************************************************************
    "Polycrystalline Silicon Solar Cells

    The first solar panels based on polycrystalline silicon, which also is known as polysilicon (p-Si) and multi-crystalline silicon (mc-Si), were introduced to the market in 1981. Unlike monocrystalline-based solar panels, polycrystalline solar panels do not require the Czochralski process. Raw silicon is melted and poured into a square mold, which is cooled and cut into perfectly square wafers.

    Advantages

    The process used to make polycrystalline silicon is simpler and cost less. The amount of waste silicon is less compared to monocrystalline.
    Polycrystalline solar panels tend to have slightly lower heat tolerance than monocrystalline solar panels. This technically means that they perform slightly worse than monocrystalline solar panels in high temperatures. Heat can affect the performance of solar panels and shorten their lifespans. However, this effect is minor, and most uses do not need to take it into account.


    Disadvantages

    The efficiency of polycrystalline-based solar panels is typically 13-16%. Because of lower silicon purity, polycrystalline solar panels are not quite as efficient as monocrystalline solar panels.
    Lower space-efficiency. You generally need to cover a larger surface to output the same electrical power as you would with a solar panel made of monocrystalline silicon. However, this does not mean every monocrystalline solar panel perform better than those based on polycrystalline silicon.
    Monocrystalline and thin-film solar panels tend to be more aesthetically pleasing since they have a more uniform look compared to the speckled blue color of polycrystalline silicon."
  • So let me phrase this from another tack: YOU just purchased a new camper that you like very much. You believe strongly in solar but don't know enough to proceed without asking for guidance and you are on a very tight fixed income with little extra dough.

    You find 2 good quality 50W mono panels on the roof of your new rig and you have another one just like them in your house awaiting installation.

    Do you:
    A. Simply install the 3rd panel for roughly a 150W system

    or

    B. Pull the 2 existing panels and purchase one new 150W panel.
    (and have a lot of unused holes in your roof & 3 solar panels you'll have to sell or ???)
  • Wow it looks like a wash! Both sides have good strong facts & opinions:
  • doughere wrote:
    Two thoughts:

    One 150 watt panel has less wiring single mount, three has more wiring and more mounting work.

    One 150 watt panel with some shade = 0 watts, Three 50 watt panels with some shade = 100 watts.

    You chooses your poison,
    Doug

    True, but two 150 watt panels (on opposite sides of the trailer) with some shade = 150 watts. And an intermediate among of wiring and mounting.
  • Two thoughts:

    One 150 watt panel has less wiring single mount, three has more wiring and more mounting work.

    One 150 watt panel with some shade = 0 watts, Three 50 watt panels with some shade = 100 watts.

    You chooses your poison,
    Doug
  • Hi

    Each connection you make increases the risk of failure. There may also be more roof penetrations with multiple panels.

    If I had my choice, I would go with a single 150 watt instead of three 50 watt units. I would choose poly over mono from what has been reported here.

    btw that is not a particularly good price.

    DesertMax wrote:
    So the question that I have now is this: Is one 150W panel of high quality really "better" than 3 50W panels of equal individual quality?

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