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kp_utah
Explorer
Mar 18, 2017

Troubleshooting failed solar - Water in your junction box

So, my renogy solar panels stopped working. After some digging, I found a small amount of water in my junction box on the roof. I think some snow and ice created havoc up there and some how leaked into my junction box. I thought I had sealed it pretty good, but apparently not.

I am not certain if the panels are actually bad or not now. I am a novice electrical person. the fuse between the panels and junction box didn't blow. That seemed odd. Its a 20A fuse.

I tested continuity also between pos and pos above the fuse to the junction box, and same for neg to neg.

No voltage in the battery compartment before or after fuse in that area.

With the controller disconnected, and a fuse from the junction box to controller also removed, I began testing for voltage on the roof area. At the junction box, no voltage coming in. What is weird, is my voltmeter jumps seems to jump to around 18V very quickly, then goes to 1. I assume its error'ing something. Does that mean there is a short upstream?

I get similar behavior if I remove the Y connector that joins the panels and test each panel separately. I am not sure if its the leads/probes not making good contact, or if I have blown the panels. I believe I was making contact ok inside the MC4 connectors, but the fact that I get similar jumps/errors inside the junction box, leads me to believe its in my panels. What do you all think? The fact that it flashes quickly what seems to be about the right voltage 17-18, confuses me, whether its the panels, a short or bridged system in the box inside the panels, etc. Its not my voltmeter. If I test it against my batteries themselves, it works fine.

It a major undertaking to remove the panels. SO I am hoping to be 100% sure before ripping them off. The panels are nearly permanent. Not much clearance to remove them without taking the brackets off too, and the brackets have RV grade caulking over them. Plus the roof is weak i used spring wing nuts. If I remove the panels, its unlikely I will be able to re-use the same holes for the panels. So, I would prefer to leave the brackets in place unless the panels are actually bad. If the panels are bad, I think I will leave the brackets in place, drill into the framing of the panels so I can get a wrench on top and bottom of the bolt. Ya, I know, I wasn't thinking when I installed these. I just thought it would be permanent.

Thank you in advance.
  • Almot's avatar
    Almot
    Explorer III
    MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

    SILICONE DIELECTRIC GREASE

    Grease not sealant. Gob it under, around and over all connectors to encapsulate everything in a thick layer. My son-in-law regularly empties a pint of sea water out of a connector box in his 24' panga.


    Panga (Mexpanish) - big fishing boat without superstructures.

    This is why I didn't want to have any junction box on the roof. When you have time, wire panels in series, install MPPT and dump the J-box :)
  • Well, not sure exactly what fixed things. But its working now. I took apart all connectors, put them back, put fuse to the battery, put fuse in to the solar. It all connected up and worked fine. I will put the dielectic on. I am still perplexed. But happy its working. I imagine taking apart the connections and resetting them, especially in the junction box, might have done it. Thanks for everyone's advice here. I find this forum very useful.
  • Should be easy to test the panels. Look for Voc and Isc to verify they are working to specifications.
  • The most important measurement is voltage at the input to the controller. It sounds like you have a faulty meter, also. Make sure all your connections are good and measure voltages again. Some charge controllers will fail if battery power is interrupted before panel voltage is interrupted.


  • SILICONE DIELECTRIC GREASE

    Grease not sealant. Gob it under, around and over all connectors to encapsulate everything in a thick layer. My son-in-law regularly empties a pint of sea water out of a connector box in his 24' panga. The connections have stayed shiny perfect for seven years.
  • Posts on the board at AZ wind and sun say that shorting a panel does not hurt it. For more info google 'shorting solar panel. '

    Make sure your VOM is working properly and measure the open circuit panel again.
  • Some volt meters use a battery inside them and will give wacky readings if it's low.

    From there you should see panel voltage at the junction strip and the same voltage at the controller.

    If you remove the panel wires from the junction box and use an amp meter between POS and negative you will read isc amperage short circuit. Just like checking open circuit Voltage it will depend on sunlight