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chilly81
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Aug 01, 2014

Water heater flame help - adjustments not having any effect

I have a 02' American Standard water heater ASEDV-6SR (6 gallon DSI) I'm trying to get dialed in (used RV - history unknown).

Good news is that it's reasonably clean, starts easily, and heat works both electric or gas.

Bad news is that the flame is very large and orange. The combustion chamber is basically a 3" dia pipe that heads roughly 10" into the water heater, makes a 180deg U-turn and vents back out. The flame fires almost all the way down into this chamber and is mostly orange.

I disassembled and cleaned everything (except for gas valve). The air pipe from the gas valve into the combustion chamber is a simple 90 deg bend with a rotating vent window adjuster at the gas end. Sadly, I can close that window all the way and even block the remaining opening with my fingers, and it doesn't seem to do anything. Something else must be wrong - this is not a precisely tuned mechanism that just needs a tweak.

My stove seems to work fine - so I don't know if that says something about my propane system.

There is a 'screw' adjustment type thing on the gas valve. I have not tried touching that.

Any ideas or things I could try? Without knowing much, I'm guessing something to do with the propane side of things - or the valve and/or jet. The rest is just clunky low tech parts that aren't broken.

I could take some pics tomorrow if it would help, but it got dark quick tonight.

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  • Looks like I need to try removing and cleaning the orifice! I kind of thought if the flame was this big, that the orifice couldn't be clogged - but sounds like flow and velocity all matter, so hopefully it will help.

    I guess I did have it backwards - orange being rich and I was trying to block the shutter. Unfortunately, changing the shutter didn't have any effect either way for me - so no harm.

    I definitely cleaned out the burner tube well with a brush - also the combustion tube. So I'm confident that's not the problem in my case. I did not touch the gas valve though - so it sounds like that should be my next step to try tonight.

    @Old-Biscuit - If the orifice cleaning doesn't help and I want to test the pressure.... When you say "test port at gas valve" - is that on the water heater gas valve, or on the propane tank valve/regulator? I see about a 1/4" set screw on the water heater valve fairly nearby the output jet - maybe that's a test port?
  • You need to physically run a brush through the burner tube? You are not getting enough air- usually because the lp isn't traveling fast enough to draw in enough.
    Problem could be low LP pressure, dirty orifice, or a spider web in the burner tube (in reverse order of odds :)).
  • Clean the orifice !!
    It is the fuel blowing past the window that draws the air in the window.
    If all other flames are normal, the regulator pressure is ok.
  • Here is a manual for that model of American Standard WH......LINK

    NOT real informative..but does have some info that could be of use to you.


    As for that flame........

    I know you stated you cleaned everything......including the main gas orifice?
    It is screwed into gas valve right where that air shutter is.
    Need to remove the orifice and clean it using alcohol and air....don't be poking anything thru it :B

    The air shutter......
    Flame should be mostly blue with tinges of yellow/orange tips
    Open air shutter to feed more air into burner tube.
    Orange flame is due to being fuel rich (air starved)

    You should also check the propane pressure your LP regulator is providing. (Low propane pressure will result in mre flame pattern)
    You need a manometer to test.
    Hooked up to the test port at gas valve
    Turn on at least 50% of propane appliances.......pressure should be 11" WC with water heater in service.

    Manometer....
    Fill tube with water to 'zero'
    11" WC.......water column moves to 5 1/2" each side


    If low....need to adjust Propane regulator
  • I can close that window all the way and even block the remaining opening with my fingers, and it doesn't seem to do anything

    You are going the wrong way. Open up the "window" until you lose the yellow from the flame.
    Art.
  • I know that you said you cleaned everything so this may not help you but I had a yellow flame problem that turned out to be a spider web.

    Here was my problem and resolution: Link

    Good luck!