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Canadian_Rainbi's avatar
Jun 03, 2015

Yes it's my own D***N fault

First part of this was posted Sunday on the "What Did You Do to Your Class A MH Today" Forum.

Not really asking for help. Sympathy maybe. Just really a comment. Perhaps someone will learn something. Maybe even me.



It was going into the tech Monday to replace (on warranty) the Coleman basement heatpump. So since I would need an early start on what might be a drizzly Monday I decided to get things all ready the day before. The rig hasn't moved since winterizing in the fall.

Before pulling the shore power and storing the cords I thought to check things over: NO SHORE POWER incoming. The Maxx fan had been left on, as well as the ham radio in beacon mode. Neither were working, nor were the lights. Not even the LEDs. :E

Switch them off, go check the plug on the shore power extension: Plug hanging loose from the socket. Looks like a deer or a neighbour or what ever had bumped it and partially pulled the plug. It's under tall trees so the solar wouldn't have been able to keep up.

Batteries: 4 6V GCs, rated at 484 AH

Xantrex Prosine 2.0 Inverter/Charger (Max 100 A charging)

420 Watts of Solar, BlueSky MPPT controller.

The Xantrex charger voltmeter was reading nothing.

Plugged the shore power back in--nothing. (Tripped the breaker down by the house as I discovered later.) Started the Cummins, waited until I could see a decent (13V+) on the display and started the Onan 7.5 gen, checked that the Xantrex was charging.

Here is one interesting/puzzling thing:

It charged away at 80 Amps for several (4+) hours before tapering. Hmmmm. The max charge rate is set for 96 Amps, max voltage set at 14.8V. Never saw it above 14.0 but I didn't stay there watching it.

Once the charge current had reduced (around 30 A at 13.8V) I shut down the gen and moved the rig out of its parking pad into the drive, hooked up Wrangler for towing, ready for morning. After sitting for an hour or two, Xantrex voltmeter reading 12.9 We'll see what it says in the AM. (Forgot to check before starting it up.

On picking up the rig next day (Tuesday) about noon, the batteries were showing about 12.5 volts. The rig was parked under trees but the solar would have been on for a few hours.

Took the rig to the wash for a quick rinse (The solar panels were FILTHY)

Back home I pulled the solar controller input and killed all the internal loads to let the batteries sit undisturbed. About 6 hours later the batteries were reading 12.54V according to the BlueSky readout.

This morning (Wednesday) displayed 12.45V (Solar panels still disconnected).

Around noon today I plugged the shorepower in and energised the Xantrex charger. Charging at about 60 Amps. Solar still disconnected.

More later. I'll keep this thread going until I decide if I need to replace the GSs or not. We're likely going to Mexico for the winter so I don't want iffy batteries.


I know I have probably seriously damaged these 4 2 year old GSs, how badly remains to be seen. Batteries: 4 6V GCs, rated at 484 AH

:S
  • You need to charge them FULLY... meaning until float kicks in, then a top charge, then an EQ. If not done properly, they will suffer capacity loss due to sulfation.

    Once the surface charge dissipated, they dropped back down to 12.5v. And at 30a acceptance, at only 13.8v, they were very likely still in the less than 80% soc range. Charge them up properly and they should be fine.
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    One of the major advantages of GC DEEP CYCLE batteries over 12 volt MARINE/Deep cycle.

    You very likely did not kill them..Oh you may have taken a couple months off their life but you did not kill them dead.

    I have enough battery to push the full 100 amps of my Prosine.. it has done it..ONCE.. but that was all new batteries.. Yours sulfated some and re-conditioning them may be in order..This is why you never hit 100 amps.
  • Interesting. Thank You for posting. I have 6 6v. 220ah batteries in my RV been sitting since last Oct. I filled them with water a couple months ago(Feb.or Mar.) better go tomorrow and check them. Maybe be time to run the generator also :h :S. Again thanks for posting this reminder. Yes I did put SeaFoam in the tank before I parked the RV.
  • pianotuna wrote:
    Hi,

    You have created an opportunity! You can replace the lead with lithium, have 1/2 the amp-hours, and never worry about getting to 100% state of charge again.

    I did get a quote on a 400 amp-hour 12 volt LI with battery management for $2 k. 200 amp-hours should be 1/2 that cost.

    I would definitely go Li if I did not have to worry about charging below -20 (-4f).


    Hi Don, the husband of one of my nieces is an engineer with Corvus Energy in Richmond. Perhaps I should lean on him a little! :B
  • They may have been down, but don't count them out. They will probably just be 4 more of many 6v (and 12v) batteries that have come back from the dead, and still give many years of good service.
  • Hi,

    You have created an opportunity! You can replace the lead with lithium, have 1/2 the amp-hours, and never worry about getting to 100% state of charge again.

    I did get a quote on a 400 amp-hour 12 volt LI with battery management for $2 k. 200 amp-hours should be 1/2 that cost.

    I would definitely go Li if I did not have to worry about charging below -20 (-4f).