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getdave
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Jul 16, 2025

Proper truck for a very heavy trailer

 

I am moving out of my tour bus that I converted and into a Space Craft trailer.  Those of you familiar with Space Craft will understand that it's very heavy.  It's a 43' fifth wheel trailer with about 7-8k of pin weight and about 24k of total trailer weight.

We're looking at trucks, and across the board it looks like the one-ton trucks can't cut it.  So we've been looking at the Ram 5500 and the Ford F550 (and even the F650), so we've been learning way more about towing than we realized existed.  We are in California, which limits our options.  We've considered some of the semi tractors, but would prefer something that looks more like a pickup.  We also are a family of three, so we need a crew cab.

One of the things we were not thrilled about with the tour bus was its inability to drive up a mountain over 30 mph.  The bus had a 6V92T with 300 HP and ~900 lb-ft of torque and was similar weight, close to 26k lbs.

Looking at the 550 and 5500 options seems to put us in about the same boat, though sometimes with more torque.  I'm hoping that it will be able to safely pull the trailer up a 5-6% grade at better than 30 mph, but is that just because of the better transmission with more gears, considering the power is about the same?

The F650 seems like a beefier solution but I've read in some places that they are just heavier and often slower.

So..  general thoughts on the right kind of truck to get and things I need to know about (like trailer brake controllers, possibly getting air suspension or maybe air brakes, power needs, axle ratios...)?

I feel like there's so much to learn I'll never know when I'm done, but we need the truck soon.
Generally looking at used vehicles with 30-90k miles.

8 Replies

  • I'm looking for 10 spds, but now I have an inlaw with a bunch of trucks and he says the 10 spd falls apart, and so do Rams.

    Yeesh..  don't know how to collate all the personal experience into a cohesive answer.  :-/

  • Looks like a 10spd is found in the 2020 years and newer, which I'm having trouble tracking down right now, especially since there's many months of lead time for getting a new one.

    I wish there was a way to search used trucks that could specify the transmission, the tow packages, the trailer brakes, the payload upgrade, etc...

    • Grit_dog's avatar
      Grit_dog
      Navigator II

      There’s no need to search by those parameters in a class 5 truck really. You’re only looking at the big 3 presumably. (You left out the Duramax trucks. Same class of vehicle) 

      Just find out what year the Ford and Chevy went to a 10 speed if that’s what you’re after. Then hit up Autotrader as you won’t find many personal rigs this size fsbo. 
      besides you can search a bunch of different parameters. 
      I didn't realize there was a run on med duty trucks. Autotrader quick search showed 300+ Ram 5500s and 6000+ F550s. How many more are you looking for? 
      of course most of those trucks are white work trucks with a bare chassis or a dump or service box but thats the kind of truck you’re after. 

  • I think to be honest you will be much better going with a class 8 hiway tractor.  at that pin weight you could single the rear axel or leave it double and put a nice flat deck on the tractor.  in the long run it will be way cheaper than any of the option you mentioned plus you get more powerful braking, a heavier tow vehicle so the 5th won't try push it through corners and down hills, and finally the class 8 will be a lot more conferrable to drive and ride in with the air ride cab and seats that are made for long distance driving.  

    • Grit_dog's avatar
      Grit_dog
      Navigator II

      Totally agree unless the OP doesn’t have another vehicle. At least the class 5 trucks are more like a passenger vehicle for all around use. 

  • Hoping the T part of you motor is a turbo version, as you should be able to do more than 30 mph on a 5-6% grade at 26K and 300 hp. Then again as grit is pointing out, incorrect gearing be it in the trans or rear ratio, can screw one up. If you motor is not a turbo, assuming you are talking say above 5-6000', with a 3% loss of HP per 1000' up you go, being at 15% loss at 5000, and 30% at 10000' elevation, you're going to be going slow. 
    There is more to pulling a trailer or moving a MH than just the power of the motor(s) being compared. 
    Generally speaking, as also noted, a higher number of gears with a given spec motor, you will usually go slightly faster with the 10sp vs a 6, or 4 sp trans or whatever number of gears.  Alson axel ratio, and tire diam can vary this point to some degree also. 
    Your combo needs around 150 HP depending upon the aerodynamics of the set-up, to 30% more if not very streamlined. Then another 45HP per 1% grade you want to pull at 60 mph. You are going to need around 450HP to go 60 mph up any 6% grade at 26K lbs or there about.

    Marty

    • Grit_dog's avatar
      Grit_dog
      Navigator II

      It is a turbo engine in the old bus. Can’t imagine the pain of having a screaming Jimmy that can’t pull a grade. 
      And I’d hazard even a detuned 6.7 Cummins would out pull the lower end (power rating) ole Smokey motor. 
      Regardless of your penchant for calculating theoretical “grade ability” if the OP could go faster than 30mph up a hill then he probably would have said so. 
      Bottom line is OP needs to learn/read technical specs if sizing out a med/heavy duty truck with a particular expectation. 

  • You’re gonna get the most power out of a F550 with the 10 speed if that’s in your budget. Almost positive they don’t have a de tuned engine like the Ram. 

    Ram will pull it fine too but a 10 speed Powerstroke will pull a grade faster. 

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