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Dec 21, 2018

?’s: new Hallmark pop up / options / Everest or EXC

?’s: new Hallmark pop up / options / Everest or EXC

Up to today I was fairly sold on Four Wheel Campers (a Grandby slide in)

but a *new* Hallmark Everest (or a Hallmark EXC shell with a bunch of options) would have quite a few advantages (for a higher cost, granted)

We would get a Ford F350 with 8’ bed. Biggest cab. 4x4. Custom ordered for sure, with the most payload possible from the factory. Gasser.

We almost definitely would never tow. We hate towing. (so a 9.5’ pop up slide in would be fine)

No hard core offroading, but yes desert washes, bad Forest Service Roads, dry river beds, rough roads, etc.

Mostly south west USA camping, but would see some snow and freezing temperatures for sure.
3 people in our family… Me, mom + our kid.

Questions:

one) For Hallmark owners - have you been happy with quality / fit / finish / warranty support / etc…. ?

two) Does anyone make a similar 9.5’ long *pop up*?

three) In the very slim chance we wanted to tow something (like a small U Haul trailer) is there a way to safely and legally tow with a hitch extension (with a 9.5’ Hallmark on the 8’ bed?

Four) other than cost, any advantages of the FWC that I have overlooked?
Yes these options add weight, but i think with a custom ordered, max capacity Ford F-350 … and how we travel… we’d be fine.

Five) Generally speaking - if I got Shovel/Axe Kit and Sand Ladders & Bracket Kit - would they be lockable to diminish the odds of theft? (yes I know bold cutters work wonders)

Six) anyone using the ALU Cab Shadow 270 degree legless awning? Looks awesome. I read great things about it. $1,500 plus installation.

Seven) would I want (for $1,200) the Mylar Insulated Soft-Wall option (a Mylar 4th layer to the soft wall) ?

Eight) Hallmark offers a 4.5, a 6 gallon and a tankless (!) water heater. Various prices. Anyone using a tankless?

Nine) Hallmark offers a Grey Holding Tank PVC Truck Tank (not in the camper)
Any downsides? Yes I know it could freeze.

* * * Hallmark advantages: * * * (as far as I know)

Hallmark has a fiberglass (Marine Gel Coat) exterior, with 4 flex joints that use flexible caulking to seal, and plastic board behind, so even if a bit of water got in, no problem. (plus I would be diligent about watching those caulked seams)

Hallmark uses molded fiberglass composite exterior panels. I think this would transmit less cold into the interior, plus Hallmark has more insulation overall (insulation in floor, and a 3 layer insulated pop up fabric … where FWC lacks those things, for example)

Hallmark can be 9.5’ long, no problem. Thus more space in dinette, counter space, etc.

Hallmark offers 3 different bathrooms…. we’d likely get the 1/2 sized (very small) stall with Port a Potty, for the occasional indoor shower plus a bathroom. Yes I know moisture builds up when you take a shower inside, but I do very fast ‘on / off’ showers, and moisture is much less of an issue in Southern California and area. ;-)

Hallmark can be a fixed (no moving parts) north south cabover bed, unlike FWC. This is a huge plus for us. it is an extended nose. 16” $2,000 extra
Our beds almost always stay beds (including the dinette) We are outside most of the time, and if need to, simply sit on the edge of the bed.

Hallmark often does Lithium batteries and they do it at a fair cost. Over time Lithium batteries last 5x as long as AGM, and are very tough, so that would have advantages. Yes I know it needs to be a special controller.

Hallmark would be willing to put in a bigger (side by side Novacool 7.2 CU foot side by side fridge freezer, and an inverter. FWC will do neither of those things.
I think this is the model:
Nova Kool RFS7501 7.5 CU FT AC/DC Side By Side Refrigerator & Freezer

Matt at Hallmark seems extremely nice, passionate, smart, and very willing to make customizations that are possible. Prices seem fair. About a 5 month wait time.

Thanks for any and all thoughts. :-)

J.
  • you might also consider Capri. They are smaller than most and do not have the stuff others have. Like holding tanks, neither gray or black. Just about everything is an extra. I have looked at their web site and if I were to get another TC I would have to consider them. Depends on how much room you want/need. It looks to me like they really are build for a single person.

    If I had the money it would be the Hallmark Cuchara, but $50,000 grand is WAY over my budget.
  • sljohnson1938 wrote:
    if money is not an issue - I would go with the Hallmark. I have never owned one.
    We did get a used 2003 Outfitter Apex (I think) it was the 9'5" model what ever that is. The camper was ok, but the mfg. is not. Had an issue and they just said too bad, go some where else. We got your money. Actually they did not say that, but they just as well did when they told me it was not their problem, to go somewhere else for help.

    Also Northstar would be a good one.

    If money is an issue you might consider Palomino, probably not as well made, but way less money. A lot more for the dollar.

    Good luck.


    Very sad to hear this bad thing about Outfitter.

    It is not the first time i have read bad things about Outfitter.

    Have yet to read any seriously bad things about Hallmark or ATC or FWC..... for what that is worth.
  • if money is not an issue - I would go with the Hallmark. I have never owned one.
    We did get a used 2003 Outfitter Apex (I think) it was the 9'5" model what ever that is. The camper was ok, but the mfg. is not. Had an issue and they just said too bad, go some where else. We got your money. Actually they did not say that, but they just as well did when they told me it was not their problem, to go somewhere else for help.

    Also Northstar would be a good one.

    If money is an issue you might consider Palomino, probably not as well made, but way less money. A lot more for the dollar.

    Good luck.
  • The FWC is very, very rugged. If you really want to go offroad, that could be an advantage.

    If and how much offroading you really want to do with a fullsize, crew cab truck with any type of TC in the back, you will need to find out for yourself. Member jefe4x4 offroads with a conventional Lance hardwall camper, so it can be done. But I have also seen pictures of a stripped tiedown anchor on a popup camper on this very forum.

    Back in 2012, I visited Hallmark and Outfitter. I was impressed with Hallmark as a company, and I liked the product. I believe they give you a choice of wood, aluminum or Coosa for the frame. I like their campers, and the build quality I saw at the time was very good.

    I had an Outfitter Apex 8 myself. It is a very well thought out design. Build quality was somewhat mediocre, but it was a great camper and it held up well. I had it on a Silverado 2500 single cab, long bed gasser. Even without any modifications, the truck handled the camper very well. Although they are on the heavy side for a popup, the cog is very low, which helps with handling.

    The camper worked well in freezing temperatures (-5 Celsius), but with the aluminum frame you needed to watch for condensation.

    Re. towing with a hitch extension: why else would you have one? As long as everything is within specification, where would there be a problem?
  • I spoke with Alaskan, they said they would do an indoor shower. Also, consider a flatbed side entry, very nice to be able to store stuff on the back of camper with entry door on side. Alaskan now makes one of those too. If I was doing a lot of boondocking I would go with a large water tank, 50+ gallons. FWC water tanks are small.
  • You wouldn’t get an indoor shower, but have you looked at Alaskan 10’?