1 Ton SRW Challenge

"Last-place acceleration and fuel economy finishes, plus a loud interior, kept it out of the top spot.

Loud interior??? What the HE!! do they want? We can carry on a normal conversation even at 3k pulling a 14% grade for miles.

Fish has a good point about fuel economy, real world they are all about the same but most other test has the RAM being more efficient.

Rediculas thinking the AISIN has anything to do with acceleration because of harsh 1-2 shifts. HARSH is a subjective term. If you want a trans that slips easily from gear to gear then the others may be for you. Simply put firm shifts cause less wear. REAL answer is the inline 6 is not a screamer and the 3.42's ARE going to net slower acceleration.

Basically two of the three Judges understood the RAM handles the load better than the others, isn't that what we want in a tow vehicle???

SidecarFlip wrote:
I only had to read the first line... Price. No truck today is worth 70 grand to me. Especially when you can buy a low mileage off lease vehicle with a factory warranty for about half of what a new one cost. I believe in letting the first owner/leasee take the depreciation hit. I'm not proud. Bought my last 2 vehicles that way.

Is it also correct to say that many are willing to pay 70K or more for a new pickup? Can it be said that people's personal spending habits and choices are just that individual choices that have zero relevance to the discussion at hand? Should the topic come up about the dollars and sense of buying new verse used come up, you will no doubt be the topic leader. However inserting your buying used over new philosophy into every discussion is wearing itself out.

"Did the ram perform a regen during the test? If so all fuel economy tests are apples to oranges."

Great comment. Every other recent test had had RAM with the best fuel economy.

More "news", based on personal opinions of a few "experts", for the sole purpose of selling magazines. Little to do with ownership satisfaction of any of the three.

SidecarFlip wrote:
I only had to read the first line... Price. No truck today is worth 70 grand to me. Especially when you can buy a low mileage off lease vehicle with a factory warranty for about half of what a new one cost. I believe in letting the first owner/leasee take the depreciation hit. I'm not proud. Bought my last 2 vehicles that way.

A 2-3 year old truck for half price? I need to take you truck shopping with me next time I'm in the market for a new to me truck. I'll buy you a case of your favorite beer. :C

When I bought my current truck, I looked at newer used trucks first and by the time I had all the rebates on a new truck, the new truck was about the same price as buying one that was two years old on the used car lot.

Dan

ShinerBock wrote:
Now that we got that out of the way......


I wasn't too surprised in the Ram being the slowest especially being hooked up to a slow shifting Aisin, but I am surprised it having the lowest fuel economy. The newest Duramax seems to be very fuel efficient. I would have to say GM's newest HD offering is beating the competition in just about every test even fuel mileage, but that is to be expected with a all new truck versus a competition that is almost 10 years old. Although the Ford was just recently updated. No doubts they will just keep leap frogging each other with every new iteration which is a plus for us.

To be fair about the Aisin, even the 68RFE does not shift that great in stock form, but at least you can tune the 68RFE to shift much better and quicker.

I was surprised by this also. I would figure the Ford would have worst milage as it does in all of the tests. I can see the Chevy winning speed tests with the 3.73 gearing. Will be interesting once they post some more results of each test.

FishOnOne wrote:


Did the ram perform a regen during the test? If so all fuel economy tests are apples to oranges.

Maybe or maybe the gearing was optimized for the route they took, but I don't want to make any excuses for it. It is what it is.

Funny thing is that they seem to be about the same fuel economy wise on Fuelly. The 2018 GM's seem to have a little better fuel economy, but I think that is mainly due to the fact that there are not that many people posting versus the Ram and Ford which causes higher numbers and usually come down as more people post. All of the 2017 numbers, which was the first year of the L5P are in line with the others at around 14.5-15 mpg.

ShinerBock wrote:
Now that we got that out of the way......


I wasn't too surprised in the Ram being the slowest especially being hooked up to a slow shifting Aisin, but I am surprised it having the lowest fuel economy. The newest Duramax seems to be very fuel efficient. I would have to say GM's newest HD offering is beating the competition in just about every test even fuel mileage, but that is to be expected with a all new truck versus a competition that is almost 10 years old. Although the Ford was just recently updated. No doubts they will just keep leap frogging each other with every new iteration which is a plus for us.

To be fair about the Aisin, even the 68RFE does not shift that great in stock form, but at least you can tune the 68RFE to shift much better and quicker.

Did the ram perform a regen during the test? If so all fuel economy tests are apples to oranges.

RTCastillo wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
I only had to read the first line... Price. No truck today is worth 70 grand to me. Especially when you can buy a low mileage off lease vehicle with a factory warranty for about half of what a new one cost. I believe in letting the first owner/leasee take the depreciation hit. I'm not proud. Bought my last 2 vehicles that way.

One quick observations I've seen so far. Some RVers are over-truck for their trailer. Not my business really. And then again, they must have been able to afford it: the truck, higher maintenance and gas.

Almost tempted myself as first time RVer.

Ditto, ditto and ditto again.

Now that we got that out of the way......


I wasn't too surprised in the Ram being the slowest especially being hooked up to a slow shifting Aisin, but I am surprised it having the lowest fuel economy. The newest Duramax seems to be very fuel efficient. I would have to say GM's newest HD offering is beating the competition in just about every test even fuel mileage, but that is to be expected with a all new truck versus a competition that is almost 10 years old. Although the Ford was just recently updated. No doubts they will just keep leap frogging each other with every new iteration which is a plus for us.

To be fair about the Aisin, even the 68RFE does not shift that great in stock form, but at least you can tune the 68RFE to shift much better and quicker.