"10 Ram 2500 diesel owners

Greene728 wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Greene728 wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Me Again wrote:

IdaD wrote:


Yep. Some seem unable to comprehend this, but it's pretty simple stuff if you actually know a little bit about the components of the truck.

It is quite clear the RAM has separated the 2500 and 3500 SRW into separate categories with a very different rear air suspension between the two or coil springs on the 2500, including the lower ratings and no option for the HO engine.

Move over to Ford and they are almost identical. Chris

In 2010 both 2/3500 had leafs. As far as coils vs leafs go on the newer trucks, that's accounted for in the 500 lb RAWR difference.

Told you Chris.

Oh, and FWIW, I know a considerable amount about the trucks and suspension. That's one reason I don't agree with the mindset of "their almost the same". But I'm done with it and I apologize to the OP for getting drawn into the derailment of the thread. I've gotta show more restraint in the future!

I don't think you know as much as you think about the subject, but we all get to make our own determinations about things and it's okay to disagree.

Honestly, I don't care what you think. You only think that because I don't completely agree with your opinion on the subject. Even though I disagree, I don't question what you may or may not know. And I agree it's perfectly fine to disagree. But your assessment of what I know is well....wrong and unfounded.
Regards

Your next IdaD

I had a 2010 Ram 2500. It was a nice truck until it hit about 70,000 miles. Then it turned into just another Chrysler product. Squeeks, rattles, way too many recalls with little or no parts availability. Lousy integrated brake control. It did have the best seats and interior of any. Fuel mileage wasn't any different than the trucks with DEF in my opinion. Tailpipe rotted off the muffler and I only drove it in TX or AZ in the Winter. Not sorry to see it go. Sorry Dodge boys, just my opinion.

B.O.

Grit dog wrote:
I chose To delete what I wrote above, but you guys are killing me.
Greene, not sure if you believe what you're writing or just being obstinate for the sake of argument, but your insistence with the 3500 to 4500 rhetorical question leads me to think you do know what you're talking about and just being an arse. This could be misleading to those less informed and looking for guidance on this forum.
Aside from rear suspension design in the '14- up Rams (note, the other 2 mfg still have rear leafs in both models) and an OPTIONAL trans choice in the Aisin, feel free to point out to the crowd how these 2 models are NOT essentially the same vehicle, because I for one, fail to see the major differences when the frame, axles, brakes, engine, trans, wheels, all the stuff that does work or holds the truck up are the same.
if you're going to get technical, there have been other anomalies in the past with class 2 vs class 3 trucks, like the old Fords where the 250s used the crappy TTB front axle and 350s had a solid axle, but you gotta admit you have to dig deep to find significant differences regardless of brand.
And sorry to the OP for the total de railment! I did also add to your original question.

Of course I was merely being sarcastic to say the least on the 3500 to 4500 statement. But speaking of less informed or people coming to this site for guidance, what about the post regarding "payload sticker be dammed"? I believe this to be very foolish and poor advice. Legally and from a safety standpoint. Especially for the less informed or advice seekers who know no difference. Crank your bus back up and run him down too while you're at it.

IdaD wrote:

Me Again wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
I chose To delete what I wrote above, but you guys are killing me.
Greene, not sure if you believe what you're writing or just being obstinate for the sake of argument, but your insistence with the 3500 to 4500 rhetorical question leads me to think you do know what you're talking about and just being an arse. This could be misleading to those less informed and looking for guidance on this forum.
Aside from rear suspension design in the '14- up Rams (note, the other 2 mfg still have rear leafs in both models) and an OPTIONAL trans choice in the Aisin, feel free to point out to the crowd how these 2 models are NOT essentially the same vehicle, because I for one, fail to see the major differences when the frame, axles, brakes, engine, trans, wheels, all the stuff that does work or holds the truck up are the same.
if you're going to get technical, there have been other anomalies in the past with class 2 vs class 3 trucks, like the old Fords where the 250s used the crappy TTB front axle and 350s had a solid axle, but you gotta admit you have to dig deep to find significant differences regardless of brand.
And sorry to the OP for the total de railment! I did also add to your original question.

When RAM decided on a 2500 only rear air design or coil springs they separated the capabilities between it and the 3500 with a very robust rear air system option or traditional HD leaf spring as standard they made a departure between the two that did not exist before. Ask the guy that tried to put a Lance camper on a 2500 with coils. Did RAM buy it back? I am not sure!

Chris

I don't know much about the air ride system in either truck, but on the standard springs Ram rates the coils 500 lbs lighter than the leafs on the 3500. The tires, wheels, axles, brakes and chassis are the same so that 500 lb difference boils down to the suspension. To me that's not a major difference, but if you see a clear split in capabilities that's up to you.

I'd contrast that with the DRW model which puts the RAWR close to 10k lbs. That's a much more material step up in capability.

Unbelievable...

I'd like to see a set of factory leafs bolted to a 2500 frame.... Ain't going to happen!

Also leafs springs will be more stable under a given load compared to coils hence the reason a coil spring suspension requires a anti roll bar just to keep the truck stable with it's own weight and the truck would handle like a wet noodle without it.

Me Again wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
I chose To delete what I wrote above, but you guys are killing me.
Greene, not sure if you believe what you're writing or just being obstinate for the sake of argument, but your insistence with the 3500 to 4500 rhetorical question leads me to think you do know what you're talking about and just being an arse. This could be misleading to those less informed and looking for guidance on this forum.
Aside from rear suspension design in the '14- up Rams (note, the other 2 mfg still have rear leafs in both models) and an OPTIONAL trans choice in the Aisin, feel free to point out to the crowd how these 2 models are NOT essentially the same vehicle, because I for one, fail to see the major differences when the frame, axles, brakes, engine, trans, wheels, all the stuff that does work or holds the truck up are the same.
if you're going to get technical, there have been other anomalies in the past with class 2 vs class 3 trucks, like the old Fords where the 250s used the crappy TTB front axle and 350s had a solid axle, but you gotta admit you have to dig deep to find significant differences regardless of brand.
And sorry to the OP for the total de railment! I did also add to your original question.

When RAM decided on a 2500 only rear air design or coil springs they separated the capabilities between it and the 3500 with a very robust rear air system option or traditional HD leaf spring as standard they made a departure between the two that did not exist before. Ask the guy that tried to put a Lance camper on a 2500 with coils. Did RAM buy it back? I am not sure!

Chris

I don't know much about the air ride system in either truck, but on the standard springs Ram rates the coils 500 lbs lighter than the leafs on the 3500. The tires, wheels, axles, brakes and chassis are the same so that 500 lb difference boils down to the suspension. To me that's not a major difference, but if you see a clear split in capabilities that's up to you.

I'd contrast that with the DRW model which puts the RAWR close to 10k lbs. That's a much more material step up in capability.

Grit dog wrote:
I chose To delete what I wrote above, but you guys are killing me.
Greene, not sure if you believe what you're writing or just being obstinate for the sake of argument, but your insistence with the 3500 to 4500 rhetorical question leads me to think you do know what you're talking about and just being an arse. This could be misleading to those less informed and looking for guidance on this forum.
Aside from rear suspension design in the '14- up Rams (note, the other 2 mfg still have rear leafs in both models) and an OPTIONAL trans choice in the Aisin, feel free to point out to the crowd how these 2 models are NOT essentially the same vehicle, because I for one, fail to see the major differences when the frame, axles, brakes, engine, trans, wheels, all the stuff that does work or holds the truck up are the same.
if you're going to get technical, there have been other anomalies in the past with class 2 vs class 3 trucks, like the old Fords where the 250s used the crappy TTB front axle and 350s had a solid axle, but you gotta admit you have to dig deep to find significant differences regardless of brand.
And sorry to the OP for the total de railment! I did also add to your original question.

When RAM decided on a 2500 only rear air design or coil springs they separated the capabilities between it and the 3500 with a very robust rear air system option or traditional HD leaf spring as standard they made a departure between the two that did not exist before. Ask the guy that tried to put a Lance camper on a 2500 with coils. Did RAM buy it back? I am not sure!

Chris

nevadanick wrote:
I had a 2010 2500. Here is the problems i had, repeatedly would not come out of park and dlr was not able to find the problem. I did some research and fond that it was the shift interlock, told them so but they wouldnt believe me because the part was labeled as a bracket. Ignition switch was faulty and key would get stuck in it. Transmission filter fell off inside pan at 25k mi. After they had to come and get it from the GMC dlr 15min after picking it up from them trying to fix coming out of park problem the general mgr at Dodge dlr called me and said they would do whatever it took to fix it. After the filter fell off i bought a GMC before they had it fixed. Otherwise it was a nice truck that rode and pulled well.

No injector line problems :W

I chose To delete what I wrote above, but you guys are killing me.
Greene, not sure if you believe what you're writing or just being obstinate for the sake of argument, but your insistence with the 3500 to 4500 rhetorical question leads me to think you do know what you're talking about and just being an arse. This could be misleading to those less informed and looking for guidance on this forum.
Aside from rear suspension design in the '14- up Rams (note, the other 2 mfg still have rear leafs in both models) and an OPTIONAL trans choice in the Aisin, feel free to point out to the crowd how these 2 models are NOT essentially the same vehicle, because I for one, fail to see the major differences when the frame, axles, brakes, engine, trans, wheels, all the stuff that does work or holds the truck up are the same.
if you're going to get technical, there have been other anomalies in the past with class 2 vs class 3 trucks, like the old Fords where the 250s used the crappy TTB front axle and 350s had a solid axle, but you gotta admit you have to dig deep to find significant differences regardless of brand.
And sorry to the OP for the total de railment! I did also add to your original question.

Greene728 wrote:

Me Again wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Me Again wrote:

M.R.E. wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a "10 Ram . What is your opinion about this vehicle ? Is this the year they started using DEF ? Will use it to tow a 5th wheel .

How heavy/big of a 5th wheel? Generally 3500 SRW are much better for 5th wheels vs 2500's.

Chris

A SRW 3500 is nearly identical to a 2500, unless the 3500 is an Aisin. Same truck with a lighter rear spring pack, and you can supplement that and get the same end result - door tag be damned.

Much better my arse... ;)

Not anymore, no coil spring is going to match a leaf spring suspension. Times have changed RAM has taken two different roads with the 2500/3500's! Chris

You won't ever convince him of that. We've had this row to hoe before and it's starting again. What the engineers say, the door payload numbers, different designations by the manufacturer, etc all say doesn't matter. What I'm wondering is if I make a few mods if I can somehow make my 3500 magically be a 4500??? Seems to work for 2500's.

I agree, I can speak for Fords, from the F-350 F450 to the F550 the actual rear end is different, meaning the actual pumpkin on your rear axle, among many other things.

The days of a 2500 vs 3500 being and extra leaf spring are over...

Edit, lol nevermind.