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1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 4. Bathroom Remodel

This is Part 4 (in no particular order, especially as it gets into the latter parts) of our camper restoration modification. These links will take you to the other parts. 1968 Travel Queen Resto Mo...
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The main purpose of the above posts to this point was to determine a satisfactory height of the shower pan, the primary goal of which was to provide as much headroom as possible in balance with acceptable shower draining (pan elevation in relation to grey water tank entry).

This can be pretty difficult when dealing with only 6'3" of headroom to start with!

I've received a couple of comments (both in thread and via PM) about concerns regarding DWV (drain/waste/vent), specifically in regards to proper venting for optimal draining, closure of the drain for preventing "on the road" slosh-back, and input for whether or not a trap is even needed (traps are for preventing escaping sewer gasses and other odors).

I'd like to say two things here.

1. I truly appreciate the offers of concern and the helpful suggestions. True, too much of that can become overwhelming, but I haven't seen that here. I'm sure many of you have thoughts, but have refrained because of your desire to prevent such "overwhelmingness". I appreciate that too! I'm not making a "request for input" here. But if you have something constructive to add, please feel free. Make a thoughtful choice of whether it is best offered via PM, or in thread, and go for it.

2. Previous plans can and do change. There is space and access for a sink vent on the camper wall. However it would be above the drain, but below the basin rim, not exactly proper (I think it is supposed to be above the basin rim to avoid potential drainage out the vent), but it may have to be satisfactory. Another option is to vent inside the 3/4" wall cavity with some creativity to a higher point before exiting the wall. The shower has a tub stopper, not a shower drain; that may work for preventing slosh back. Another option is a manual gate or ball valve in the drain line. A trap may not be necessary (except for potential odors from an incompletely draining grey water tank like mine). Also, when we use the shower for one of those "long luxurious" soaks, it will be at a time when we have hookups, at least fresh water and very likely waste connection so a trap may well be needed.

At any rate, these are all subjects for future posts. This is gonna be fun :)

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1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 1. Acquisition & Evaluation
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 2. Dismantling and Salvage
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 3. Structure and New Wood
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 4. Bathroom Remodel
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 5. Propane
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 6. Jacks & Tiedowns
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 7. Finishes & Finishing
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 8. Fresh Water
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 9. Electrical (AC/DC)
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 10. Galley & Greatroom
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 11. Night Chamber
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 12. Waste Water
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 13. Exterior, Skin & Openings
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 14. Viewer Perceptions

I had the back wall of the camper out to accomplish a portion of the wood replacement task and found now was the perfect time to access the bathroom remodel issues.

The original camper bathroom was mostly a ward-robe, including storage shelves, a narrow clothes rod, a light, a small window and a pretty good deal of floor space for a portable toilet.



What a cute little room huh? DW wasn't terribly excited to see it's charm departed, but we both knew our duffle bag wardrobes of \"pop-up campers past\" were really the best and easiest method for us to not only travel, but to pack and unpack as well. The extended cab pickups of today had clothes hooks in the back seat from which to put any required hanging clothes. By having a ward-robe in a bag you can move your ward-robe around. At night the space is on the dinette seat, by day it's in the cab-over.

We're also something of hygiene freaks so we weren't really excited about sponge baths and toothpaste spit in the kitchen food prep sink. A bathroom basin was important to us, as was a grey water tank for our \"flying under the radar\" planned method of travel. A small space for sponge baths and potti needs might just as well double as a wet area right? Pull that out-door shower indoors where it belongs? We had scared one-too many children in the past!

In shopping the RV parts catalogs and online parts sources I found a small basin that in real time now seems very big for it's dimensions, and a specialty size shower pan.

Available residential shower pans are too big, as are most RV shower pans. I had roughly 24\" by 27\" max floor space to work with. Also, I wanted an edge drain (as opposed to a center drain) because I wanted a trap and a minimal amount (if any) of grey water tank slosh-back into the pan. I found an almost perfect candidate in the Icon Direct 24x27 pan from Canada.

Not only would this pan provide maximum space, it would also allow for a 3/4\" insulation board between the shower surround surfaces and the camper exterior walls (both back and side - side meaning the back wall of the new propane tank compartment).

With the original single 20lb horizontal propane tank placement relocated from where the new refrigerator would be, to the right rear side of the camper, here's how the new bathroom profile looks.






The exact height of the shower pan yet to be determined, here is the general placement of the pan and grey water tank. The main visible tank hole is for the dump valve (inside for four season use). Yeah I know, it won't drain completely while on the level, but such are the realities of inside, no basement, special order tanks (and I intend to lift the front of the tank as much as possible, which I believe may well be an inch plus). The upper side hole is for shower drain connection.



The other side of the grey water tank will live under the dinette as far forward as where the pedestal mounts to the floor. Note the main visible hole is for bathroom sink connection and the forward hole for kitchen sink connection. Incidentally the tank size is 21 gallons.



With the toilet in this position you can sit backwards to have a sit down shower and use both the basin and the counter for showering needs.



The shower head will double as the sink faucet and will mount on the forward inside wall to keep it, and any fresh water plumbing on a warm side. The plumbing will be both decorative and multi-functional (1/2\" rigid copper pipe) acting as shortest line distances possible (to limit overall water use when calling on hot water) and at the same time acting as towel rods for kitchen towels in the hall and bath towels in the bathroom. The routing will come from the water heater location under the kitchen counter up through the counter along the back camper wall, over the head near the back door, into the bathroom at ceiling height and on to the placement of the shower diverter. But that is a post for another day.

The now vacated holes for a traditional sink faucet will house soap/lotion/shampoo/conditioner surface mount under-counter dispensers (with additional holes in the counter as required). The sink basin will drain down and elbow to the back wall of the propane compartment, then elbow straight down through the compartment to the outside, where it will elbow forward, then left and back into the camper's heated side under the dinette seat where it will trap on the warm side prior to emptying into the grey-water tank. That trap area will live alongside the dual (vented) batteries in a compartment also under the dinette seat. A compartment which will also contain a converter/charger/power box on the aisle side.","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2014-11-02T05:59:12.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Truck Campers","text":"Truck Campers","time":"2004-07-23T08:16:35.000-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":4,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1496008_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":17512},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"This is Part 4 (in no particular order, especially as it gets into the latter parts) of our camper restoration modification. These links will take you to the other parts.

1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 1. Acquisition & Evaluation
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 2. Dismantling and Salvage
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 3. Structure and New Wood
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 4. Bathroom Remodel
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 5. Propane
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 6. Jacks & Tiedowns
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 7. Finishes & Finishing
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 8. Fresh Water
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 9. Electrical (AC/DC)
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 10. Galley & Greatroom
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 11. Night Chamber
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 12. Waste Water
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 13. Exterior, Skin & Openings
1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 14. Viewer Perceptions

I had the back wall of the camper out to accomplish a portion of the wood replacement task and found now was the perfect time to access the bathroom remodel issues.

The original camper bathroom was mostly a ward-robe, including storage shelves, a narrow clothes rod, a light, a small window and a pretty good deal of floor space for a portable toilet.



What a cute little room huh? DW wasn't terribly excited to see it's charm departed, but we both knew our duffle bag wardrobes of \"pop-up campers past\" were really the best and easiest method for us to not only travel, but to pack and unpack as well. The extended cab pickups of today had clothes hooks in the back seat from which to put any required hanging clothes. By having a ward-robe in a bag you can move your ward-robe around. At night the space is on the dinette seat, by day it's in the cab-over.

We're also something of hygiene freaks so we weren't really excited about sponge baths and toothpaste spit in the kitchen food prep sink. A bathroom basin was important to us, as was a grey water tank for our \"flying under the radar\" planned method of travel. A small space for sponge baths and potti needs might just as well double as a wet area right? Pull that out-door shower indoors where it belongs? We had scared one-too many children in the past!

In shopping the RV parts catalogs and online parts sources I found a small basin that in real time now seems very big for it's dimensions, and a specialty size shower pan.

Available residential shower pans are too big, as are most RV shower pans. I had roughly 24\" by 27\" max floor space to work with. Also, I wanted an edge drain (as opposed to a center drain) because I wanted a trap and a minimal amount (if any) of grey water tank slosh-back into the pan. I found an almost perfect candidate in the Icon Direct 24x27 pan from Canada.

Not only would this pan provide maximum space, it would also allow for a 3/4\" insulation board between the shower surround surfaces and the camper exterior walls (both back and side - side meaning the back wall of the new propane tank compartment).

With the original single 20lb horizontal propane tank placement relocated from where the new refrigerator would be, to the right rear side of the camper, here's how the new bathroom profile looks.






The exact height of the shower pan yet to be determined, here is the general placement of the pan and grey water tank. The main visible tank hole is for the dump valve (inside for four season use). Yeah I know, it won't drain completely while on the level, but such are the realities of inside, no basement, special order tanks (and I intend to lift the front of the tank as much as possible, which I believe may well be an inch plus). The upper side hole is for shower drain connection.



The other side of the grey water tank will live under the dinette as far forward as where the pedestal mounts to the floor. Note the main visible hole is for bathroom sink connection and the forward hole for kitchen sink connection. Incidentally the tank size is 21 gallons.



With the toilet in this position you can sit backwards to have a sit down shower and use both the basin and the counter for showering needs.



The shower head will double as the sink faucet and will mount on the forward inside wall to keep it, and any fresh water plumbing on a warm side. The plumbing will be both decorative and multi-functional (1/2\" rigid copper pipe) acting as shortest line distances possible (to limit overall water use when calling on hot water) and at the same time acting as towel rods for kitchen towels in the hall and bath towels in the bathroom. The routing will come from the water heater location under the kitchen counter up through the counter along the back camper wall, over the head near the back door, into the bathroom at ceiling height and on to the placement of the shower diverter. But that is a post for another day.

The now vacated holes for a traditional sink faucet will house soap/lotion/shampoo/conditioner surface mount under-counter dispensers (with additional holes in the counter as required). The sink basin will drain down and elbow to the back wall of the propane compartment, then elbow straight down through the compartment to the outside, where it will elbow forward, then left and back into the camper's heated side under the dinette seat where it will trap on the warm side prior to emptying into the grey-water tank. That trap area will live alongside the dual (vented) batteries in a compartment also under the dinette seat. A compartment which will also contain a converter/charger/power box on the aisle side."},"Conversation:conversation:1496008":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:1496008","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1496008"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2018-03-02T06:53:47.000-08:00","lastPostTime":"2018-03-02T06:53:47.000-08:00","unreadReplyCount":40,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1496008":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1496008","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:1496008_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:1496008_1","lastEditTime":"2014-11-02T05:59:12.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1496017":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:1496017","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1496008"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:97797"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":1496017,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"subject":"Re: 1968 Travel Queen Resto Mod - 4. Bathroom Remodel","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1496017"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1496008"},"body":"The main purpose of the above posts to this point was to determine a satisfactory height of the shower pan, the primary goal of which was to provide as much headroom as possible in balance with acceptable shower draining (pan elevation in relation to grey water tank entry).

This can be pretty difficult when dealing with only 6'3\" of headroom to start with!

I've received a couple of comments (both in thread and via PM) about concerns regarding DWV (drain/waste/vent), specifically in regards to proper venting for optimal draining, closure of the drain for preventing \"on the road\" slosh-back, and input for whether or not a trap is even needed (traps are for preventing escaping sewer gasses and other odors).

I'd like to say two things here.

1. I truly appreciate the offers of concern and the helpful suggestions. True, too much of that can become overwhelming, but I haven't seen that here. I'm sure many of you have thoughts, but have refrained because of your desire to prevent such \"overwhelmingness\". I appreciate that too! I'm not making a \"request for input\" here. But if you have something constructive to add, please feel free. Make a thoughtful choice of whether it is best offered via PM, or in thread, and go for it.

2. Previous plans can and do change. There is space and access for a sink vent on the camper wall. However it would be above the drain, but below the basin rim, not exactly proper (I think it is supposed to be above the basin rim to avoid potential drainage out the vent), but it may have to be satisfactory. Another option is to vent inside the 3/4\" wall cavity with some creativity to a higher point before exiting the wall. The shower has a tub stopper, not a shower drain; that may work for preventing slosh back. Another option is a manual gate or ball valve in the drain line. A trap may not be necessary (except for potential odors from an incompletely draining grey water tank like mine). Also, when we use the shower for one of those \"long luxurious\" soaks, it will be at a time when we have hookups, at least fresh water and very likely waste connection so a trap may well be needed.

At any rate, these are all subjects for future posts. This is gonna be fun :)","body@stringLength":"2272","rawBody":"The main purpose of the above posts to this point was to determine a satisfactory height of the shower pan, the primary goal of which was to provide as much headroom as possible in balance with acceptable shower draining (pan elevation in relation to grey water tank entry).

This can be pretty difficult when dealing with only 6'3\" of headroom to start with!

I've received a couple of comments (both in thread and via PM) about concerns regarding DWV (drain/waste/vent), specifically in regards to proper venting for optimal draining, closure of the drain for preventing \"on the road\" slosh-back, and input for whether or not a trap is even needed (traps are for preventing escaping sewer gasses and other odors).

I'd like to say two things here.

1. I truly appreciate the offers of concern and the helpful suggestions. True, too much of that can become overwhelming, but I haven't seen that here. I'm sure many of you have thoughts, but have refrained because of your desire to prevent such \"overwhelmingness\". I appreciate that too! I'm not making a \"request for input\" here. But if you have something constructive to add, please feel free. Make a thoughtful choice of whether it is best offered via PM, or in thread, and go for it.

2. Previous plans can and do change. There is space and access for a sink vent on the camper wall. However it would be above the drain, but below the basin rim, not exactly proper (I think it is supposed to be above the basin rim to avoid potential drainage out the vent), but it may have to be satisfactory. Another option is to vent inside the 3/4\" wall cavity with some creativity to a higher point before exiting the wall. The shower has a tub stopper, not a shower drain; that may work for preventing slosh back. Another option is a manual gate or ball valve in the drain line. A trap may not be necessary (except for potential odors from an incompletely draining grey water tank like mine). Also, when we use the shower for one of those \"long luxurious\" soaks, it will be at a time when we have hookups, at least fresh water and very likely waste connection so a trap may well be needed.

At any rate, these are all subjects for future posts. This is gonna be fun 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