2006 Ford 6.0 Turbo diesel ???

Reddog1 wrote:

jimh425 wrote:
... restlessways, how many different engines did Dodge/Ram/GM have in the same period? BTW, Ford didn't make an engine until the 6.7. Dodge/Ram/GM still haven't made a diesel engine.

What does this have to do with the 6.0 engine? I do not see the connection.

Personally, I really question most things any manufactures says. But, the court actions between Ford and International pretty well says enough for me. I do believe every vehicle has its weak points, but the issues with the 6.0 put it way beyond what I see as a weak point.

Wayne

I'll tell you what it is- brand loyalty and insecurity. Notice how, instead of answering the honest questions I posed, Jim automatically was trying to discredit the other engine makers. Anyone who knows anything about diesel engines would laugh at the comparison. The Ford 6.0 is probably the worst diesel engine ever produced, and the original poster was asking about purchasing one. I think it's fair they understand the potential pitfalls of such a purchase.

I personally would rather be warned than fall into a potential money pit which, in many cases, runs into the tens of thousands of dollars. It just so happens that Ford is the manufacturer whose name is on the grill of this lemon. If it were Dodge, I'd say the same thing, just like I warn people to NEVER buy a Cummins "53" block from the late 90's/2000 24 valve trucks. If a Ford fan was screaming about how the 53 blocks were junk, I would completely agree. What I wouldn't do was try to steer the conversation to what a piece of junk the 6.0 is.

restlessways wrote:
And like Wayne said, what does that have to do with the 6.0, and why did you not answer my question?

Again, you asked the question ... you just don't like the answer because it doesn't agree with you.

jimh425 wrote:

Reddog1 wrote:
What does this have to do with the 6.0 engine? I do not see the connection.

Ask restlessways ... he brought up how many engines Ford has as proof of how bad the 6.0 is.

http://cumminsengines.com/pickup-truck-cummins-ram-history 6 different sets of tuning with torque number changes, 4 generations.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/1303dp_history_of_the_duramax_diesel_engine/ 6 variations according to the article.

You seem to be confused, Jim. The engine is the same, only the fuel delivery and programming has been changed. Open them up, and the internals are identical. And like Wayne said, what does that have to do with the 6.0, and why did you not answer my question?

When I was looking for a diesel pickup in 2011 and check the owners surveys I found that Ford trucks were the worst but sold at a $5,000 discount compared to Ram and GM diesel trucks.

With the 2006 model year diesels the used trucks had way above average problems with major and minor engine problems, drive system, fuel system, electrical system, and above average problems reported for the suspension, paint, and trim.

Ford diesel pickup problems largely disappeared with the 2010 models except for problems with paint/trim, squeaks and rattles, power equipment, and the audio system.

I bought a new 2011 GM truck and if I was going to buy a used truck today it would be either a 2011 or newer GM or a Ram with the Cummins engine. Ram actually sells more 1-ton pickups than Ford and GM/Chevy combined.

Reddog1 wrote:
What does this have to do with the 6.0 engine? I do not see the connection.

Ask restlessways ... he brought up how many engines Ford has as proof of how bad the 6.0 is.

http://cumminsengines.com/pickup-truck-cummins-ram-history 6 different sets of tuning with torque number changes, 4 generations.

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/1303dp_history_of_the_duramax_diesel_engine/ 6 variations according to the article.

jimh425 wrote:
... restlessways, how many different engines did Dodge/Ram/GM have in the same period? BTW, Ford didn't make an engine until the 6.7. Dodge/Ram/GM still haven't made a diesel engine.

What does this have to do with the 6.0 engine? I do not see the connection.

Personally, I really question most things any manufactures says. But, the court actions between Ford and International pretty well says enough for me. I do believe every vehicle has its weak points, but the issues with the 6.0 put it way beyond what I see as a weak point.

Wayne

Ram has had two Cummins diesel engines. The 5.9 liter from 1989 until 2007, and the 6.7 from 2007.5 until now. GM Duramax has had one, the 6.6.

And I couldn't care less WHO makes what, I want the best product available. If Ford had the Cummins, I would be driving a Ford.

languiduck, don't confuse the issue by putting facts into the mix. :)

restlessways, how many different engines did Dodge/Ram/GM have in the same period? BTW, Ford didn't make an engine until the 6.7. Dodge/Ram/GM still haven't made a diesel engine.

languiduck wrote:
Again, there's another comment by someone who never owned one, but goes off what someone else said. Perhaps the mechanic was abusive, or not much of a mechanic at all. I know mechanics that open the hood far too often and ruin a perfectly good vehicle that needed nothing to begin with.

Funny people brought up bulletproofing the 6.0, never thought this would get melted down this far. In reality, the majority of the problems come from clogged EGR coolers, and dirty EGR valves. Both which won't happen when maintained properly. The head gaskets just don't let go from normal operation. The EGR cooler (and oil cooler) get clogged up from not maintaining the coolant, thus the cooler doesn't cool the EGR gasses. These superheated gasses get reintroduced in to the cylinder and causes all kinds of problems. From blown head gaskets, to ruining injectors. Then add the high oil temps because that cooler is clogged, and the gummed up EGR valve and it's a big mess.
All of this can be prevented several ways. You can keep the coolant fresh, switch over to ELC coolant (CAT or red color usually), delete the EGR system altogether, install aftermarket coolers with big passages that won't clog, and also do head studs if you might want to add a tuner. This will lead to a happy 6.0 owner.

Yes that costs money, thousands in fact. Yes it usually involves pulling the cab (depends on who's doing the work). Each diesel truck has their weak points, you're going to put money in to a Dodge or Chevy, or Ford somewhere...pick your poison.

OP, here's a long read, but it has factual information in it:

http://www.littlepowershop.com/common-6-0-powerstroke-problems-issues-and-fixes/

Ask yourself this: What kind of horrible design would allow for such problems? Why did Ford and Navistar end up in a bitter dispute over this engine where both parties ended up settling and going their separate ways? Why were there several class action lawsuits over this engine which were settled for an undisclosed sum? Why did Ford have 4 DIFFERENT diesel engines in the span of 8 years? This engine was a clunker, and most everyone involved knows it.

If only it was just keeping the coolant clean......

I had issues with the FICM, alternators that liked to kill batteries and the entire front end and brakes...plus the EGR stuff. And what made it worse was Ford's attitude and the crappy dealership service.

Now I'm on my second Ram/Cummins truck.