2012 F250 6.7 opinions

skyhammer wrote:
I have had no problems with my 2011 DRW. My empty mileage ranges from 16-18MPG.
The add says it has a 3:73 rear diff. That is only available on the DRW diesel.
That truck in the add has either a 3:55 or 3:31.

Actually there was 3.73 in 2012. I was confused when I saw one on the lot as mine is 3.55. It was from Job 1 production only trucks. And in SRW.

skyhammer wrote:
I have had no problems with my 2011 DRW. My empty mileage ranges from 16-18MPG.
The add says it has a 3:73 rear diff. That is only available on the DRW diesel.
That truck in the add has either a 3:55 or 3:31.

Actually there was 3.73 in 2012. I was confused when I saw one on the lot as mine is 3.55. It was from Job 1 production only trucks.

Although I'm one of those with good experiences running the 6.0 PSD, I don't like the cost or complexity of the any of the current new diesel engines. I'm looking at new chassis cab truck models and will most likely go with a gasoline engine this time. What is putting me off is the initial cost plus the emission system cost for any repair or replacement which can be more than the engine. If it was strictly a complex configuration of inexpensive parts, I would not be hesitating to spend the initial cost to get another diesel.

People have pointed me toward used pre-emission diesel vehicles, but I haven't found the configuration I want for my next truck and do not have the time to make major modifications or updates to an older truck.

Might just be keeping my 08 Duramax now. Unless i come across another Duramax that has the LML with more options at a fair price.

The 6.0 were problematic.. I had an 01 with almost zero issues.. I was considered lucky... The 6.4 were considered a step above the 6.0 but still had issues... I had an 05 with zero issues.. Except the PDF filter cleaning.... I also was considered fortunate... The 6.7 , yet again was plagued with issues,,, you will find many , many people not on this forum with zero issues , and you will find a few on this forum with a huge list of issues... Now I have the new 2015 6.7... Fingers crossed... With the proper maintenance schedule will be a towing beast all it's life , like it is now... The demand of these trucks are high... When I picked up my 15.. I got $31,000.00 trade on my 09 with 96,000 miles on it and 4 holes in the bed :B

Edited to include a proper date

jus2shy wrote:
Only issue that I know about the 6.7 was a small batch in the first production run of the motor had problems with one of the cylinder heads and would drop a valve. But being that you're looking at a 2012, I don't think you'll have that issue.

Sadly this is just not the case. Here is Fords own TSB:

Ford wrote:
Some 2011-2013 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.7L diesel engine may exhibit a runs rough/misfire condition only during the exhaust regeneration process. This condition typically occurs on light throttle tip in between 64-113 Km/h (40-70 MPH), and will not set diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs). The concern may be intermittent and a knocking noise may be present during the concern.

ACTION:

Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Step 1- Did the customer indicate the message center displayed a Cleaning Exhaust Filter message prior to the concern?
Yes - proceed to Step 2.
No - this article does not apply. Refer to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for normal diagnosis.

Step 2- Using Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) or equivalent, retrieve DTCs from the Powertrain Control Module. Are DTC's present?
Yes - this article does not apply. Refer to the PC/ED manual for normal diagnosis.
No - proceed to Step 3.

Step 3- Remove the left hand cylinder head. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-01.
Replace all eight (8) exhaust valves and valve seals.

As you can clearly see from Fords own TSB, the valve issue affects 2011 through 2013 engines. :E The problem is this is ALL VALVES that went into these engines. It's not like Ford got a bad batch of valves and only 5 thousand engines were effected. If you have this engine you have the same valves and tune as the guy down the street that dropped one! :E

The really sad part is Ford is only replacing the left bank valves when they know both banks are effected. :E


OP these engines are a good-bad situation.

The good is the base engine is a good design so once they fix the valves problems the turbo problems and the fuel system problems in 2015 it "should be" a good engine.

The bad is, there is a lot of problems with some the things they put into these engines which causes big problems.

Turbo problems.


The same question you are asking.


HPFP issues.


Valve problems

2015 6.7 Ford upgrades From this article it looks like Ford is addressing all of the 6.7's problems in 2015 and that is a good thing. :)

MSRP on new F350/250 Lariats with all the bells and whistles are in the mid 60's. King Ranch and Platinum even higher. Local dealers are advertising $13,000 off MSRP, which is well below invoice. But that is still over $50,000. They are in demand and expensive.

Diesels of any manufacturer are hard to come across that are not very expensive in my area. I agree this truck is a bit pricey for the miles. I have found another about 20mi further that is an F350 SRW with 38k on the clock for $1000 more.

Both are Lariat's, both are 2012's. only difference is mileage and 250 vs 350. Just the almost 50k in miles difference is worth the extra 1k.

F350 Link

If you look at NADA, KBB and Edmunds, they are all right in line on dealer price. Actually the F350 is underpriced. It will sell fast.

Mote wrote:

MackinawMan wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
73,000 miles and $40k. It is crazy how the diesels are holding their values.

We have a 2000 Ford F350 with the 7.3L PSD, it is a crew cab, 4x4 with 125,000 miles on it and is in great shape for being 14 years old.

I had a dealer offer me $12,500 for it a month ago. So that should tell you what he would have put it on his lot for. I'm guessing he would have started at $16,000 or so at minimum....for a 14 year old truck.

A dealer near me has the identical truck to yours with similar miles on his lot for $25,000. He's crazy.

Yeah, that is nuts. IMO one of the biggest things that helped the 7.3L's up their values were the 6.0L's.

I have read a LOT on diesels on Ford's forums. Seems like the 6.7 is a solid choice and now with 4 years of history this is reliable info. Earlier 6.0 and 6.4 suffered from expensive repairs due mostly to the emissions regulations parts.
I chose to go with gas because it's cheaper but also because diesels don't do so well on short trips and I use the truck year round to get the kids to school 5 minutes away from home. For an RV/long trips truck only the 6.7 would be my choice as long as the price difference covers the gas I am saving.