FishOnOne wrote:You never stop the attacks do you Fish?BeerCan wrote:Huntindog wrote:BeerCan wrote:
Come on man really? That is a STRONGLY recommends?Take Care of your Fuel Injection System
Diesel fuel quality is critical for reliable engine operation. Motorcraft® Cetane Booster & Performance Improver, PM-22-A (U.S.) / PM-22-B
(Canada) can be added to improve fuel economy, starting ability, and reduce engine wear.
The water separator should be drained monthly or when the "Water in Fuel Lamp" illuminates.
Biodiesel fuel must not exceed 20% (B20). To avoid cold weather fuel gelling, add 6 oz. of Motorcraft® Anti-Gel & Performance Improver
PM-23-A (U.S.) / PM-23-B (Canada) to every new tank of fuel.
As to why they make you sign it, I imagine it is because the maintenance issues are greater with a diesel. This document is covering the things you need to take care of to keep the truck running correctly. People coming from the gasoline world are used to "gas & go"
FWIW I did not get that document to sign.
You are getting warm. Ford diesels DO have more stringent maintainence, compared to GM and Dodge which is what I originally said, before I was accused of being incorrect.
So I posted documentation to prove what I said.
Some may not like it, but facts are facts.
Ford does have such a document, and people have had to sign it on delivery.
I don't remember the specifics of Dodges maintainence requirements, other than they are not as stringent as Fords.
I own a GM. There is NO testing of antifreeze required, and NO warning on the DIC about it.
There is NO scheduled draining of the fuel filter recommended.
There is NO fuel additive recommended... In fact GM recommends NOT using additives!!
And to add to what I already said, Ford requires fuel filter changes at 15K. GM says to go by the DIC, or every two years, whichever comes first.
I had about 20K and two years when I changed mine. The DIC stated more than 50% at that time. So a GM can likely go about 45K on a filter, providing good fuel of course. The GM actually measures the pressure drop, so dirty fuel will make the DIC calculate a change more often than clean fuel.
Also since Ford still uses the engine injectors for regening, the possibility of fuel diluting the oil exists in their design. This means that oil changes are more frequent.
These are some of the differences that are important as they relate to COST of ownership.
NO fear mongering here. Just the facts, like them or not.
You are posting mis-information. I read and quoted the document you linked (did you read it?) in my previous post. So pm-22a is not STRONGLY recommended as you say. All it says is that you "can" use it.
More mis-information the fuel filters are not recommended to be changed at 15k miles, but at 22500 miles. (edited to add: 15k is a severe duty)
Oil changes are 7500K (that is when my olm goes off)
Here are the manuals Ford 2013 owners manuals
I don't care if you like the Ford or not, just argue the real facts and not some made up BS
This guy Huntindog is nothing but Smoke and Mirrors... But I'll conclude his memory is a tad fuzzy (his own words) right down to the 12 quart oil capacity of the 6.7 psd and several other gross mistakes he's reporting here. :R
Bird Freak wrote:
To the OP. All you have to do is start a thread about a Ford and the same folks come out strong against them. Most are very biased and bash when they get a chance. just go back and look at some of their post and take it for what its worth. as I said before I think any of the big 3 would be good, just choose what you like.
BeerCan wrote:Huntindog wrote:BeerCan wrote:
Come on man really? That is a STRONGLY recommends?Take Care of your Fuel Injection System
Diesel fuel quality is critical for reliable engine operation. Motorcraft® Cetane Booster & Performance Improver, PM-22-A (U.S.) / PM-22-B
(Canada) can be added to improve fuel economy, starting ability, and reduce engine wear.
The water separator should be drained monthly or when the "Water in Fuel Lamp" illuminates.
Biodiesel fuel must not exceed 20% (B20). To avoid cold weather fuel gelling, add 6 oz. of Motorcraft® Anti-Gel & Performance Improver
PM-23-A (U.S.) / PM-23-B (Canada) to every new tank of fuel.
As to why they make you sign it, I imagine it is because the maintenance issues are greater with a diesel. This document is covering the things you need to take care of to keep the truck running correctly. People coming from the gasoline world are used to "gas & go"
FWIW I did not get that document to sign.
You are getting warm. Ford diesels DO have more stringent maintainence, compared to GM and Dodge which is what I originally said, before I was accused of being incorrect.
So I posted documentation to prove what I said.
Some may not like it, but facts are facts.
Ford does have such a document, and people have had to sign it on delivery.
I don't remember the specifics of Dodges maintainence requirements, other than they are not as stringent as Fords.
I own a GM. There is NO testing of antifreeze required, and NO warning on the DIC about it.
There is NO scheduled draining of the fuel filter recommended.
There is NO fuel additive recommended... In fact GM recommends NOT using additives!!
And to add to what I already said, Ford requires fuel filter changes at 15K. GM says to go by the DIC, or every two years, whichever comes first.
I had about 20K and two years when I changed mine. The DIC stated more than 50% at that time. So a GM can likely go about 45K on a filter, providing good fuel of course. The GM actually measures the pressure drop, so dirty fuel will make the DIC calculate a change more often than clean fuel.
Also since Ford still uses the engine injectors for regening, the possibility of fuel diluting the oil exists in their design. This means that oil changes are more frequent.
These are some of the differences that are important as they relate to COST of ownership.
NO fear mongering here. Just the facts, like them or not.
You are posting mis-information. I read and quoted the document you linked (did you read it?) in my previous post. So pm-22a is not STRONGLY recommended as you say. All it says is that you "can" use it.
More mis-information the fuel filters are not recommended to be changed at 15k miles, but at 22500 miles. (edited to add: 15k is a severe duty)
Oil changes are 7500K (that is when my olm goes off)
Here are the manuals Ford 2013 owners manuals
I don't care if you like the Ford or not, just argue the real facts and not some made up BS
4x4ord wrote:I find it just the opposite. I chose the GM for the reasons I listed. There are others that have posted different things, but my reasoning was based on facts that I found thru research.Huntindog wrote:
I don't dislike any brand. I have owned them all. At the present time, Ford simply hasn't got it together. The reason I know so much about the Ford is that I studied it in great detail when I was in the market for my present truck...There is a lot to like about them, but they are not the best at this point IMO.
I honestly find it hard to believe that a truly unbiased person could study in great detail the difference between Ford and GM and walk away choosing a GM. GM makes a great truck and I can see people people with a GM bias sticking to GM or people with a bad Ford experience choosing a GM but to compare the two trucks side by side and then choose a GM ... hard to believe.
Bird Freak wrote:
To the OP. All you have to do is start a thread about a Ford and the same folks come out strong against them. Most are very biased and bash when they get a chance. just go back and look at some of their post and take it for what its worth. as I said before I think any of the big 3 would be good, just choose what you like.
4x4ord wrote:Huntindog wrote:
I don't dislike any brand. I have owned them all. At the present time, Ford simply hasn't got it together. The reason I know so much about the Ford is that I studied it in great detail when I was in the market for my present truck...There is a lot to like about them, but they are not the best at this point IMO.
I honestly find it hard to believe that a truly unbiased person could study in great detail the difference between Ford and GM and walk away choosing a GM. GM makes a great truck and I can see people people with a GM bias sticking to GM or people with a bad Ford experience choosing a GM but to compare the two trucks side by side and then choose a GM ... hard to believe.
Huntindog wrote:
I don't dislike any brand. I have owned them all. At the present time, Ford simply hasn't got it together. The reason I know so much about the Ford is that I studied it in great detail when I was in the market for my present truck...There is a lot to like about them, but they are not the best at this point IMO.
