2015 Ram 3500 TFL Ike Gauntlet

ShinerBock wrote:

jus2shy wrote:


You have to agree that J2807 is a start. It's better than having in-house standards that are ambiguous at best among all truck makers. Totally unknown at worst. However, as with all things in life, there is room for improvement.

I know for a fact that some manufacturers in house standards, like Fords, were actually higher than the J2807 standards. Complying with J2807 actually lowered their standards which raised their tow ratings. The only major issue I have is that this J2807 is giving people a false sense of safety when the J2807 has nothing to do with safety. People think that just because a vehicle is J2807 rated to tow X amount then it can safely do so when the J2807 does not test for towing safety, it is only a universal standard of testing procedures.

jus2shy wrote:
I think all 3 trucks are mighty competent at 21,000 lbs for the duallies.

I will agree that these trucks towing 20k-24k seem more reasonable and think that that is where their max should be.

jus2shy wrote:
They even did the Ford and RAM at full load. I'm sure the Super Duty would hold a higher speed with 40 more horsepower on tap in 2015. The 2015+ Super Duty also has a much better exhaust brake setup.

Yeah I saw that although they were towing 22.6k and no where near 30k since that was before J2807 ratings and they were rated to tow less. After J2807 those trucks are rated to tow 30k. They did add another 3,800 lbs to that 22.6k trailer the Ram was towing since Ram gave it a 4,000 lbs higher tow rating that the Ford gave that F450 at the time. With a 26k trailer, they said that Ram did a top speed of 48 mph and the slowest of 28 mph. Now imagine adding another 4,000 lbs to that with the new J2807 standard ratings.

How do you KNOW, FOR FACT that Fords towing standards were ACTUALLY HIGHER than the J2807 standards?....so Ford HAD to LOWER their standards to meet J2807:h..So then, Ford LOWERED it's towing standards, THUS, RAISING their tow rating:h You must be a super insider to have this information....WOW...lowering one's "standards" to comply with a higher type tow rating...I got to admit, I'm impressed....I don't think GM or Ram actually had to LOWER their standards to meet J2807...in fact, they kept doing what they were doing and their tow ratings ALSO went up using the standards already in place...:h

Guess being an old Engineer I don't understand this....but do feel enlightened at this point on just how good Fords standards are....I'm impressed to say the least....But with such high standards, why would Ford lower theirs to comply with J2807??? Would think if one's standards were higher, they would meet minimum requirements easily and exceed them working with higher standards in place already....

man, my head hurt's...I'm going to take a nap.:)