2015 Ram 3500 TFL Ike Gauntlet

ShinerBock wrote:


Sorry, I forgot to answer that portion of your question as to why Ford is posting the numbers of the J2807 instead of their own standards. One word.... marketing. They know Ram( in this case) will post a tow rating going by the lower standard J2807 tow rating which will give them the marketing right to say the stupid "best in class" slogan which due to US advertising laws you cannot say it unless it were true(in some way). So what is Ford to do? Either stick with its standards that give them lower rating that is more reasonable or go by the J2807 which their competitor is using to give them higher numbers for marketing purposes. I think they chose poorly in my opinion by jumping into this "best in class" circle jerk. All it is is a pissing contest set by lower standards just so each can lawfully market that they are "best in class" and their bone headed fanboy followers of each brand can brag about some number even though it is set by a lower standard. Nothing more.

In all honesty, I would like to know what metrics Ford uses for towing as their standard? Also, I would like to know what prevents Ford from noting they adhere to the J2807 specs. If they exceed every spec in J2807, any marketing guy would know they could advertise as exceeding J2807 specs. If I was a marketing exec, I'd take advantage of that. However, I don't see it on the F-250 or F-350. However, I do see J2807 compliance on the F-450. So the question is, what metric are the other two trucks not meeting?

Also, I noted in my other thread, seems like people get hung up on what J2807 means. I see it as a minimum. Here's what people can find on the web easily with a little google-fu (these are SRW specs, duallies seem to get more time). Automobile Mag

• Acceleration: On level ground, hit 30 mph in 12 seconds. 60 within 30 seconds. Go from 40 to 60 in 18 seconds or less.
  
• Braking: From 20 mph without trailer brakes, 35 feet or less with a 3000 pound or less weight rating. 45 feet or less with a trailer weight rating of 3000 pounds or less and a trailer brake requirement. 80 feet or less for trailer weight ratings above 3000 pounds.
  
• Climbing: Climb Davis Dam (3,000 foot altitude increase over 11.4 miles) maintaining 40 mph with air conditioning on full-blast in 100 degree ambient temps with no recirculation.
  
• Launching: On a 12 percent grade (rise of 12 feet over a run of 100 feet), move 16 feet from a standstill 5 times wtihin 5 minutes in the uphill direction in forward and reverse.
  
• Weight: When setting GVWR for vehicles under 8500 lbs, it must account for a 150 pound driver, 150 pound passenger. For vehicles over 8500 GVWR, they must account for another 100 pounds of equipment in the rating.
  
• no more than 5 degrees of permanent angular deflection of the hitch attachment point.
  

Standards are meant to be minimums and I think that if a company exceeds a standard, they should be proud of it.


edit: added some more info for those that don't feel like using Google.