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nevadanick wrote:
$ per horsepower
Bingo...- nevadanickExplorer$ per horsepower
- LessmoreExplorer II
BenK wrote:
Les, I'm a boy racer/gear head/wrench since the mid 60's
Was a 'Ford' kid then...now a GM guy, but am not blindly brand loyal to
much of anything.
Answer to your question based on my experience locally: GM Small blocks
are more numerous, hop up parts abound and the key: cost less because
of the higher usage...which becomes circler, 'cuz it then fuels
the volume commodity pricing
All that might change with the new gen of gear heads and available
ICE's. Most of the stuff is in tuners than parts
Lessmore wrote:
Being a bit of a car guy, though I have to ask one question. Why...at pretty well...all of the hot rod and vintage modified car shows that I have gone to over the years....is the overwhelming choice of modified engines...invariably a Chevy. Either the perennial Hot Rodder's favourite...the small block Chevy V8, the big block Chevy V8 (Rat motor) or the modern Chevy V8...the LS.
Why do most of the hot rodded Ford's from the Model T, to the Model B to the '32 , the '33...the beautiful late '30's and very early '40's Fords,,,mostly seem to have a hopped up Chevy V8 under the hood.
You see a few Ford 302 OHV's, some 351 Cleveland and Windsor, rarely an FE or a 385 series...the 429/460.
Can't recall last time I saw the modular OHC, 4.6, 5.4, etc.
These hot rodders must know something ?
You're right Ben...to a certain extent. It is a cyclical thing to a point. More users, more demand for hi-po parts, more volume, less cost.
I could be wrong, but I do believe the Ford small block V8....the 289-302 ...has available hi-po parts at prices not too much more expensive than the ubiquitous CSB V8.
Ford has tried to change things around for a few decades now. They have their crate engines, their performance parts catalog... and their performance push, dates back to the 1960's. Remember the Total Performance program.
In the '30's to the early '50's Ford owned the performance, hop up market, when they had the flathead V8. When the SB Chevy V8 came out in '55...it's high revving ability and design which responded well to tuning and performance parts started the domination...which still exists today.
The Ford Y8 block (272,292, 312) of the '50's, never cut it as a performance engine and the Ford FE block (332, 352, 390, 410, 428, 427) ...same deal...with the exception of the pretty well race only..side oiler 427 FE.
In fact some believe the 221-260-289-302 OHV, introduced I think in the early '60's, is really Ford's version of the CSB. Same deal with big blocks. The 429-460 - 385 series V8's...intro'd in around 1969...which have some similarities to the previously released Chevy rat.
The current Chev LS series, seems to continue that performance tradition over Ford. Largely, I think, because it's a simple OHV engine that seems to easily match the more complicated OHC Ford designs, when it comes to developing power. Easier to work on (OHV, less parts)and available in factory stock power ratings that do well in street rods and is available, reasonably priced in salvage yards. The GM LS engines in rods, a lot of times are stock, without much in the way of add ons. In a light street rod...they really move.
My observation is that the he modern rodder's engine of choice....seems to be the modern Chevy LS.
Both the newer Ford Coyote OHC V8 and the 3.5 Turbo V6...have been around long enough to show up in salvage yards...but you just don't see many newer rods with those engines.
Why, I admit I don't know ? As you know there are a lot of rodders that want their Ford rods, to use Ford engines...and there are Ford rod- Ford engined cars...just not a lot of them
Why there aren't more Ford modular V8...4.6, 5.4...or the Ford Coyote V8...or the Turbo V6 in Ford rods...I don't know.
BTW, I think the Ford Coyote DOHC V8, is one honey of an engine. - buddyIamExplorerMaybe because all of the 400m ' s are still in working trucks on the ranch. Lol
Haha ;) - BenKExplorerLes, I'm a boy racer/gear head/wrench since the mid 60's
Was a 'Ford' kid then...now a GM guy, but am not blindly brand loyal to
much of anything.
Answer to your question based on my experience locally: GM Small blocks
are more numerous, hop up parts abound and the key: cost less because
of the higher usage...which becomes circler, 'cuz it then fuels
the volume commodity pricing
All that might change with the new gen of gear heads and available
ICE's. Most of the stuff is in tuners than parts
Lessmore wrote:
Being a bit of a car guy, though I have to ask one question. Why...at pretty well...all of the hot rod and vintage modified car shows that I have gone to over the years....is the overwhelming choice of modified engines...invariably a Chevy. Either the perennial Hot Rodder's favourite...the small block Chevy V8, the big block Chevy V8 (Rat motor) or the modern Chevy V8...the LS.
Why do most of the hot rodded Ford's from the Model T, to the Model B to the '32 , the '33...the beautiful late '30's and very early '40's Fords,,,mostly seem to have a hopped up Chevy V8 under the hood.
You see a few Ford 302 OHV's, some 351 Cleveland and Windsor, rarely an FE or a 385 series...the 429/460.
Can't recall last time I saw the modular OHC, 4.6, 5.4, etc.
These hot rodders must know something ? - LessmoreExplorer II
dodge guy wrote:
Lessmore wrote:
Being a bit of a car guy, though I have to ask one question. Why...at pretty well...all of the hot rod and vintage modified car shows that I have gone to over the years....is the overwhelming choice of modified engines...invariably a Chevy. Either the perennial Hot Rodder's favourite...the small block Chevy V8, the big block Chevy V8 (Rat motor) or the modern Chevy V8...the LS.
Why do most of the hot rodded Ford's from the Model T, to the Model B to the '32 , the '33...the beautiful late '30's and very early '40's Fords,,,mostly seem to have a hopped up Chevy V8 under the hood.
You see a few Ford 302 OHV's, some 351 Cleveland and Windsor, rarely an FE or a 385 series...the 429/460.
Can't recall last time I saw the modular OHC, 4.6, 5.4, etc.
These hot rodders must know something ?
Because it doesn`t take much of an imagination to use a Chevy motor. Most Chevy guys have no imagination and just go with what is the easiest thing to do.
C'mon, if you're a true car guy you know that's not the case.:) - dodge_guyExplorer II
Lessmore wrote:
Being a bit of a car guy, though I have to ask one question. Why...at pretty well...all of the hot rod and vintage modified car shows that I have gone to over the years....is the overwhelming choice of modified engines...invariably a Chevy. Either the perennial Hot Rodder's favourite...the small block Chevy V8, the big block Chevy V8 (Rat motor) or the modern Chevy V8...the LS.
Why do most of the hot rodded Ford's from the Model T, to the Model B to the '32 , the '33...the beautiful late '30's and very early '40's Fords,,,mostly seem to have a hopped up Chevy V8 under the hood.
You see a few Ford 302 OHV's, some 351 Cleveland and Windsor, rarely an FE or a 385 series...the 429/460.
Can't recall last time I saw the modular OHC, 4.6, 5.4, etc.
These hot rodders must know something ?
Because it doesn`t take much of an imagination to use a Chevy motor. Most Chevy guys have no imagination and just go with what is the easiest thing to do. - LessmoreExplorer IIBeing a bit of a car guy, though I have to ask one question. Why...at pretty well...all of the hot rod and vintage modified car shows that I have gone to over the years....is the overwhelming choice of modified engines...invariably a Chevy. Either the perennial Hot Rodder's favourite...the small block Chevy V8, the big block Chevy V8 (Rat motor) or the modern Chevy V8...the LS.
Why do most of the hot rodded Ford's from the Model T, to the Model B to the '32 , the '33...the beautiful late '30's and very early '40's Fords,,,mostly seem to have a hopped up Chevy V8 under the hood.
You see a few Ford 302 OHV's, some 351 Cleveland and Windsor, rarely an FE or a 385 series...the 429/460.
Can't recall last time I saw the modular OHC, 4.6, 5.4, etc.
These hot rodders must know something ? - LessmoreExplorer II
Taco wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
catfishmontana wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Lessmore wrote:
Wonder how the Mustang in question would do in an acceleration contest, between it and the new Dodge Hellcat ?
Good question... but I think I would have to give the nod to the Mustang.
Driver and traction aside, I'd give the hellcat the nod. However, none of the independent magazine tests are getting the kind of performance numbers out of the hellcat that dodge claimed, especially with the manual transmission. The outgoing 2014 GT500 ran better numbers even being down 45 horsepower, when comparing to the challenger hellcat. The GT350 will be fast, but that 707 horsepower will be a lot to overcome. The GT350 is not a straight line performance vehicle, it's more of a track star aimed at the likes of the Z28, BMW, and Porsches
I meant the 65 Mustang with 4 wheel drive would take the Hellcat in a drag race. As far as the 15 GT350 like you said it's more of a track car and I don't think it could take on the Hellcat in a drag race.
The Hoonicorn RTR (awd mustang contraption) would destroy the srt hellcat in a drag race. The GT350 probably would not take it but I don't think it would be as far off as the horsepower difference would suggest.
I don't know what a hoonicon RTR (awd Mustang contraption) is...but it sounds like a non factory modified job. If that is the case...well sure...there are lot's of modified street cars...pro stockers, etc... out there that will destroy a Mustang GT350 or a Hellcat...or a Camaro Z-28. Or probably even a hoonicon RTR.
But the thread is about stockers , made by factories that you can buy from the showroom floor.
At least I think that is the case. :B - bfast54Explorer
Golden_HVAC wrote:
ScottG wrote:
hone eagle wrote:
must sound amazing,rumour is a 8250 redline
Woa, I can't even imagine what that would sound like.
But that's one way to get to higher HP numbers.
It would sound like a motorcycle engine! The problem with my buddy's Taurus SHO (mid 90's) was the alternator would spin to fast if the engine redline was not kept below 7,000 RPM, the engine could handle more than the alternator!
I guess they must have solved that problem with a smaller diameter belt drive pulley.
Fred.
Fred ....I am sure you Meant LARGER diameter Pulley..:h
You make Less RPM's By increasing the pulley size...:W
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