2016 Nissan Titan XD Cummins Payload

CKNSLS wrote:
I have read where the gas version will not be designated with an "XD".

Too bad if true. The F150 HD would have some competition. An 8800lb GVW 1/2 ton with 400+HP and 400+tq would be a hit IMO. Basically a 3/4 ton light with what should be good CCC.

I have read where the gas version will not be designated with an "XD".

We will just have to wait and see how the common man version of the Nissan XD plays out in its specs.

What will the payload be on a XD with 2wd, cloth seats, basic comforts...kind of the tradesmen trim of the XD? I'm not sure that has been discussed as most of the trucks being delivered or tested now are top shelf models.

I'm still in wait and see mode. Around here the Ram Ecodiesel is doing very well...which surprised me...there is a demand for Diesel powered trucks...how much? We will see...but it's there.

As a side bar question...can these trucks have a reverse impact on the trailer markets?

What I mean, is can these trucks coming to market cause manufacturers of trailers to build trailers that will match capability? Specifically, will we see a reduction in tongue/ pin weight in trailer design in order to align more with the capabilities of these half tons...i.e. A more European design in our trailers? And I'm not just talking about RV's


Thanks!

Jeremiah

It will be interesting to see how these go over. I still think they needed to be about 10K cheaper than they are. If your buying a diesel pickup why would you pay this much when you can get a much stronger diesel for about the same money? I don't think you can compare it to the gas half tons as clearly as some would like to make it. I think see the gas and diesel trucks getting cross shopped that often.

Also consider that Nissan has almost zero presence in the fullsize truck market given their monthly sales numbers. There is not a pent up base of loyal customers like there are for other pickups. So largely these pickups are going to have to sell on their merits, not product loyalty. This means buyers will be comparing numbers, and this pickup doesn't deliver on any of them, not in MPG, Price, or Payload. Will they sell some? Sure they will, big splash? Not very likely.

Many states and provinces allow passengers in a travel or 5th wheel trailer so if a guy was, like 271lbs over rear axle rating a couple people could ride in the trailer to keep the axle from breaking right in half and the whole outfit careening off the cliff...

IdaD wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
I wonder what the actual empty rear axle weight is and how much is left from the 4800lb RAWR. I know my 12 Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC LB with only the B&W 5th hitch in the bed comes in around 2900-2950lbs or so. With a 6200lb RAWR that leaves me with 3300lbs for the rear axle. I would have no problem dropping 2500lbs of pin weight on it. Tires are good for 6830lbs combined.
Depending on what the empty rear axle weight is could help with some loads. Just depends on how you want to spin the numbers.
IIRC Ford F150s with the Heavy Duty payload package also had a 4800lb RAWR. Now with the new aluminum bodies they dropped that RAWR down. Lots of guys were getting the HD F150s for 5th wheels. Nissan may be okay, time will tell.

I've got a good 3500 lbs of rear axle weight available on my 2015 and I have no issue dropping that much on it. The 6.4 weighs the same at the rear axle empty and it's rated for about 3300 lbs of payload so the suspension can obviously handle that kind of weight. My tires are good for north of 7000 lbs.

I would bet this Nissan is pretty close to 3000 lbs empty at the rear axle, or maybe just under. I don't see it having as much wiggle room between the RAWR and Payload. The other thing is the Nissan isn't constrained to 10k lbs for class reasons as is the case with the full 3/4 tons. Nissan presumably chose a lower GVWR for a reason, so it probably aligns more closely with the RAWR.

Ratings aside, I do feel like this Nissan will haul a heavy trailer better than any other half ton simply because it's a more substantial truck, so it won't get pushed around as much.

Totally agree on the being pushed around. Makes me wonder how the new aluminum bodied F150s will do when hitched up to an 8-8500lb TT.
One thing I noticed when we had a 7300lb 31' TT and towed it with both an F150 Max Tow and my current 2500 CTD. The 2500 was just a better more solid feel. I even had E rated tires on the F150.
I think the Nissan will feel a bit more stout in all conditions.
It won't be a grocery getter.

goducks10 wrote:
I wonder what the actual empty rear axle weight is and how much is left from the 4800lb RAWR. I know my 12 Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC LB with only the B&W 5th hitch in the bed comes in around 2900-2950lbs or so. With a 6200lb RAWR that leaves me with 3300lbs for the rear axle. I would have no problem dropping 2500lbs of pin weight on it. Tires are good for 6830lbs combined.
Depending on what the empty rear axle weight is could help with some loads. Just depends on how you want to spin the numbers.
IIRC Ford F150s with the Heavy Duty payload package also had a 4800lb RAWR. Now with the new aluminum bodies they dropped that RAWR down. Lots of guys were getting the HD F150s for 5th wheels. Nissan may be okay, time will tell.

I've got a good 3500 lbs of rear axle weight available on my 2015 and I have no issue dropping that much on it. The 6.4 weighs the same at the rear axle empty and it's rated for about 3300 lbs of payload so the suspension can obviously handle that kind of weight. My tires are good for north of 7000 lbs.

I would bet this Nissan is pretty close to 3000 lbs empty at the rear axle, or maybe just under. I don't see it having as much wiggle room between the RAWR and Payload. The other thing is the Nissan isn't constrained to 10k lbs for class reasons as is the case with the full 3/4 tons. Nissan presumably chose a lower GVWR for a reason, so it probably aligns more closely with the RAWR.

Ratings aside, I do feel like this Nissan will haul a heavy trailer better than any other half ton simply because it's a more substantial truck, so it won't get pushed around as much.

I wonder what the actual empty rear axle weight is and how much is left from the 4800lb RAWR. I know my 12 Ram 2500 CTD 4x4 CC LB with only the B&W 5th hitch in the bed comes in around 2900-2950lbs or so. With a 6200lb RAWR that leaves me with 3300lbs for the rear axle. I would have no problem dropping 2500lbs of pin weight on it. Tires are good for 6830lbs combined.
Depending on what the empty rear axle weight is could help with some loads. Just depends on how you want to spin the numbers.
IIRC Ford F150s with the Heavy Duty payload package also had a 4800lb RAWR. Now with the new aluminum bodies they dropped that RAWR down. Lots of guys were getting the HD F150s for 5th wheels. Nissan may be okay, time will tell.

The axle is a large purpose-built American Axle Manufacturing design. The rear differential measures 9.84 inches with 3.5-inch axle tubes, while the front differential (4x4 models) measures 9.25 inches. Both are manufactured by American Axle.

What does AAM rate that axle that they supply Nissan?

Mine is an AAM 10.5" dia ring gear. GM rates it 6,000 RGAWR...AAM rates it 10,000 RGAWR

Also, read earlier that this one in the Nissan is about the same dia
ring gear or larger than mine

GM rates the 11.5" at about 7,000 RGAWR and AAM rates it at 11,000 GAWR, IIRC