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JIMNLIN wrote:
Pulling 30000 lb trailer is much tougher on a truck than pulling any rv trailer. The vast majority of rv trailers don't weigh anywhere close to that kind of weight. No doubt this truck with the power the 6.7 engine puts out will have no problems with any rv trailer.
The F450 pickup may be popular with rv transport folks or rv owners but serious long term hotshot work this truck simply doesn't have the rear axle capacity needed to make money.
Now the older F450 with those big 11000 RAWR numbers allowed more payload...more payload = more money.
If your looked at the axle tag on that F450, think you'll find it has a Dana 130. GAWR: 16,000 lbs. and GCWR: 40,000 lbs.
Don't know what Ford de-rates it to on the 2017.- Pulling 30000 lb trailer is much tougher on a truck than pulling any rv trailer. The vast majority of rv trailers don't weigh anywhere close to that kind of weight. No doubt this truck with the power the 6.7 engine puts out will have no problems with any rv trailer.
The F450 pickup may be popular with rv transport folks or rv owners but serious long term hotshot work this truck simply doesn't have the rear axle capacity needed to make money.
Now the older F450 with those big 11000 RAWR numbers allowed more payload...more payload = more money. Cummins12V98 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
The 4,700 lb payload is due to the class 3 regulation of a max GVWR of 14k lbs, nothing more. Ford basically derated the trucks payload so it can fit into the class 3 and you don't have to have a special licence to drive it. I have no doubts that that truck can handle way more than that.
No different than RAM. The 14K is JUST A NUMBER! The bottom line is what are the AXLE ratings? Fish said 9,900# RAWR on the 450. that is up 850# but only 150# above RAM. With my truck fully loaded I can add 5,800# pin to get to 9,750# RAWR.
Best part from what I saw on the Vid is the truck is not dragging AZZ.
I was surprised it took so long before it dropped from 4th to 3rd. My truck will hold longer than I "THINK" it should at times but these new trucks with torque so low I guess they have it figured out!
I am thinking they will get more business with the rV haulers and hotshotters now.
My problem is that for the people that are strictly by the numbers are not going to buy this thing. By the time you add a couple people and a hitch you don't have but 4,000# left in the numbers.- I would like to see a 5th wheel at 20000lbs behind it. Something with 60-70sqft of frontal area. Not knocking it, but test it for the RV user.
ShinerBock wrote:
The 4,700 lb payload is due to the class 3 regulation of a max GVWR of 14k lbs, nothing more. Ford basically derated the trucks payload so it can fit into the class 3 and you don't have to have a special licence to drive it. I have no doubts that that truck can handle way more than that.
No different than RAM. The 14K is JUST A NUMBER! The bottom line is what are the AXLE ratings? Fish said 9,900# RAWR on the 450. that is up 850# but only 150# above RAM. With my truck fully loaded I can add 5,800# pin to get to 9,750# RAWR.
Best part from what I saw on the Vid is the truck is not dragging AZZ.
I was surprised it took so long before it dropped from 4th to 3rd. My truck will hold longer than I "THINK" it should at times but these new trucks with torque so low I guess they have it figured out!
I am thinking they will get more business with the rV haulers and hotshotters now.- I agree about towing a 5th wheel as most of us do plus do it in the daytime. I just finished a trip where it was 105°F. Much more stress on the engine and transmission than 50-60°F.
I do find it interesting they only talk about torque where it is horsepower that really matters. They were running about 2600 rpm which is very near the max hp for the ford 6.7 and way beyond the 1600 rpm where the max torque is. - These test they do are cool and all but I'd really like to see some testing done with 5th wheels, or something similar to replicate the wind resistance of a camper.
Pulling a flat bed of bricks aint quite the same, but still impressive. - The 4,700 lb payload is due to the class 3 regulation of a max GVWR of 14k lbs, nothing more. Ford basically derated the trucks payload so it can fit into the class 3 and you don't have to have a special licence to drive it. I have no doubts that that truck can handle way more than that.
transamz9 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Wow.... Very impressive and the first truck to pull 30k lbs in this test.
It's the first truck FLT has put 30k behind it. They didn't have a trailer heavy enough to do it when testing the Ram. Impressive, yes but the first time 30,000 has been pulled up that mountain behind a pick up? I doubt it.
That's why I said "30k lbs in this test".FishOnOne wrote:
Wow.... Very impressive and the first truck to pull 30k lbs in this test.
It's the first truck FLT has put 30k behind it. They didn't have a trailer heavy enough to do it when testing the Ram. Impressive, yes but the first time 30,000 has been pulled up that mountain behind a pick up? I doubt it.
