2017 F350

blofgren wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

4X4Dodger wrote:
What puzzles me about Ford since they dropped the 7.3L International engine is this:

They have had continual engine issues with their diesels and continue to change/tweak them constantly. Some years it must be said have a very bad reputation (warranted or not)

So why on earth havn't they made a deal with CAT to produce a really good engine similar to the Cummins for light duty trucks?

That CAT badge on the fender would not only look good but hark to a solid reputation for near perfect dependability.

I like Fords and even though I have a Dodge...it was because of the Cummins engine. If Ford had had a similar CAT I would possibly have bought that...or at least given it consideration.

This seems like a no-brainer marketing decision to me.

PS: And when Mack decides to make a pickup...well the big three will all be in big trouble.

I think Ford has got the pickup truck powertrain figured out. If given an opportunity to buy a new Ford with either the Cummins or Powerstroke engine I think I would choose the Powerstroke. Although if the Cummins proved to be better on fuel than the Powerstroke I might be swayed the other way.

With all due respect, the Powerstroke is much better than previous engines to be but it still has a few glitches that can be major if they occur (the CP4 failure is one of the bigger ones). They are also such a complex engine that long term ownership costs will certainly be higher than the Cummins. Personally I would choose the Cummins hands down over the Powerstroke in a Ford if the choice was there.

If Ford had started putting the Cummins in their trucks back in 1989 as Dodge did, there is no doubt in my mind that Dodge trucks would be extinct!

By the time my Ford has 200,000 miles on it, it will likely be on its third or forth owner and be next to worthless regardless of how much life might be remaining in the engine, These days I think it is pretty hard to find an engine that won't give 200,000 miles of trouble free service. I actually own an old 1990 Dodge with the 5.9 Cummins that only has about 70,000 miles on it. It has been parked in the weeds for over a decade. Back then they were so loud and rough that it was driven as little as possible. As far as I was concerned I disliked that stinky noisy engine every bit as much as I disliked the rest of the truck. In my mind the Duramax was the leader in pick up truck diesels.

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"If Ford had started putting the Cummins in their trucks back in 1989 as Dodge did, there is no doubt in my mind that Dodge trucks would be extinct! "

Very good possibility! But the fact is Dodge/RAM has caused the bar to be raised MANY times over the years. That has been good for all of us.

I would say the Fords, Chevy and Dodge or Daimler, or cerebus or Fiat...too many to keep track of LOL raised the bar a few times. I have to say the cummins provided the direct injected and turbo but after that that have followed the Ford and Chevy diesels.

Not really. Ram outsells the GM 3500s and is close on the 2500. Not really following IMO.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
7 MPG..... OUUUUCH

I think that is pretty darn good considering I am moving 33K at 75mph. My RV is 13'5" high and 101" wide.

Sorry but that's terrible....

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"If Ford had started putting the Cummins in their trucks back in 1989 as Dodge did, there is no doubt in my mind that Dodge trucks would be extinct! "

Very good possibility! But the fact is Dodge/RAM has caused the bar to be raised MANY times over the years. That has been good for all of us.

I would say the Fords, Chevy and Dodge or Daimler, or cerebus or Fiat...too many to keep track of LOL raised the bar a few times. I have to say the cummins provided the direct injected and turbo but after that that have followed the Ford and Chevy diesels.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"If Ford had started putting the Cummins in their trucks back in 1989 as Dodge did, there is no doubt in my mind that Dodge trucks would be extinct! "

Very good possibility! But the fact is Dodge/RAM has caused the bar to be raised MANY times over the years. That has been good for all of us.

That 89 cummins was a slug with no get up aod go. The V5 diesel were preferred by many including myself

I bet Ford kicks themselves every day for turning down the opportunity to use Cummins engines back in the 80's. At that time though, International engines were good and only got better, until the DPF emmissions requirements in 2003.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
7 MPG..... OUUUUCH

I think that is pretty darn good considering I am moving 33K at 75mph. My RV is 13'5" high and 101" wide.

I agree. Wow, that's heavy. Your axle weights are more than my entire trailer!

"If Ford had started putting the Cummins in their trucks back in 1989 as Dodge did, there is no doubt in my mind that Dodge trucks would be extinct! "

Very good possibility! But the fact is Dodge/RAM has caused the bar to be raised MANY times over the years. That has been good for all of us.

FishOnOne wrote:
7 MPG..... OUUUUCH

I think that is pretty darn good considering I am moving 33K at 75mph. My RV is 13'5" high and 101" wide.

4x4ord wrote:

4X4Dodger wrote:
What puzzles me about Ford since they dropped the 7.3L International engine is this:

They have had continual engine issues with their diesels and continue to change/tweak them constantly. Some years it must be said have a very bad reputation (warranted or not)

So why on earth havn't they made a deal with CAT to produce a really good engine similar to the Cummins for light duty trucks?

That CAT badge on the fender would not only look good but hark to a solid reputation for near perfect dependability.

I like Fords and even though I have a Dodge...it was because of the Cummins engine. If Ford had had a similar CAT I would possibly have bought that...or at least given it consideration.

This seems like a no-brainer marketing decision to me.

PS: And when Mack decides to make a pickup...well the big three will all be in big trouble.

I think Ford has got the pickup truck powertrain figured out. If given an opportunity to buy a new Ford with either the Cummins or Powerstroke engine I think I would choose the Powerstroke. Although if the Cummins proved to be better on fuel than the Powerstroke I might be swayed the other way.

With all due respect, the Powerstroke is much better than previous engines to be but it still has a few glitches that can be major if they occur (the CP4 failure is one of the bigger ones). They are also such a complex engine that long term ownership costs will certainly be higher than the Cummins. Personally I would choose the Cummins hands down over the Powerstroke in a Ford if the choice was there.

If Ford had started putting the Cummins in their trucks back in 1989 as Dodge did, there is no doubt in my mind that Dodge trucks would be extinct!