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Cummins12V98 wrote:
tinner12002 wrote:
I can't believe ford has to use their f450 to use as towing comparisons to everyone else's 1 tons.
Are they still doing that for 2017?
I'm one that personally could care less about badgin numbers. BUT, isn't some of the F450 pickup models a lowered GVWR version, more on par with a 350 from a spring pack standpoint? if so, using the actual gvwr, or grawr/gfawr as comparisons would be more correct vs badging on the door frankly......anyboady remember when you could get a 9K gvwr dually? thought so......a LONG time ago! that is DOT class 2 - 3/4 - 25 series category! But labeled a 35!
Martytinner12002 wrote:
I can't believe ford has to use their f450 to use as towing comparisons to everyone else's 1 tons.
Are they still doing that for 2017?tinner12002 wrote:
I can't believe ford has to use their f450 to use as towing comparisons to everyone else's 1 tons.
What is the difference between an F250 vs F350 vs F450. Are they not all the same basic truck just equipped with different tires, suspension and differentials? I guess if someone wants to regularly tow 30,000 lbs they may want an F450 if they go Ford or a 3500 Ram. Personally I would never buy an F450 no matter what trailer I was towing. If a 3.73 axle in an F350 couldn't do the job I would get a big truck.- I can't believe ford has to use their f450 to use as towing comparisons to everyone else's 1 tons.
Bionic Man wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
Reality is, 400/800 is plenty of power to tow anything that can fit on 3/4 and 1 ton platforms. We are limited by the axles, tires, etc. Marketing is the reason they keep upping the numbers (they are primarily selling to men lol).
I wish they would keep the power and torque the same but work on mileage and a better driving product. For example, amateur tuners are getting better mileage and have the truck driver better than engineers at huge car companies by a simple ECM tune.
There is very little "need" for even the 400/800 level of power. It is a matter of want. And usually in a capitalist market, the manufactures try to fulfill the want of the consumer. So, I would venture to say, that there is a considerable want for more power. Just look at the chest pumping in any thread that has to do with HP/TQ, or towing times up "Ike". This thread is a good example.
And I would say that there has been significant improvement in MPG in the newest trucks. I don't think that DEF is the absolute best solution, but since its introduction, both power and MPG has gone up. Reported MPG of today's trucks is every bit as good if not better than the pre-emissions trucks, with twice the power. Seems like a win-win to me.
"Chest pumping" ...LOL :B
BTW: my internet speed is faster than yours and my e-peen is massive.. ROFL2001400ex wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
Most not so much emission compliant. However, a tuner can add MPG and make the truck drive better without changing any emissions.
How exactly is this magic done? 3 big companies in the US would love to know how to do this. Billions of dollars are at stake! If you know how to do this, please tell us!
Ask the tuners how they do it. I just know from what I read, a tune on a stock truck adds MPG and makes it drive better.
http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/2011-lml-performance-parts-discussion/253978-duramaxtuner-efilive-lml-tuning-review.html#/forumsite/20663/topics/253978?page=1
I must have missed it, but where in that thread did it say that this truck could pass stringent EPA smog requirements for this engine with this tune on it?
Also, how long will that very expensive DPF or SCR system last with that tune on it?
GM spends 10's of millions of dollars on engine and smog research and all they have to do is hire this guy for a 100 grand a year and be good? Stupid GM! :B
It's on the internet so it must be true! :B2001400ex wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
Most not so much emission compliant. However, a tuner can add MPG and make the truck drive better without changing any emissions.
How exactly is this magic done? 3 big companies in the US would love to know how to do this. Billions of dollars are at stake! If you know how to do this, please tell us!
Ask the tuners how they do it. I just know from what I read, a tune on a stock truck adds MPG and makes it drive better.
http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/2011-lml-performance-parts-discussion/253978-duramaxtuner-efilive-lml-tuning-review.html#/forumsite/20663/topics/253978?page=1
It is much easier when you are not constrained by the EPA, warranty, drivability characteristics for the masses and not one person, shareholders, and many other variables that the OEMs must contend with.Turtle n Peeps wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
Most not so much emission compliant. However, a tuner can add MPG and make the truck drive better without changing any emissions.
How exactly is this magic done? 3 big companies in the US would love to know how to do this. Billions of dollars are at stake! If you know how to do this, please tell us!
Ask the tuners how they do it. I just know from what I read, a tune on a stock truck adds MPG and makes it drive better.
http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/2011-lml-performance-parts-discussion/253978-duramaxtuner-efilive-lml-tuning-review.html#/forumsite/20663/topics/253978?page=12001400ex wrote:
Most not so much emission compliant. However, a tuner can add MPG and make the truck drive better without changing any emissions.
How exactly is this magic done? 3 big companies in the US would love to know how to do this. Billions of dollars are at stake! If you know how to do this, please tell us!Me Again wrote:
2001400ex wrote:
Reality is, 400/800 is plenty of power to tow anything that can fit on 3/4 and 1 ton platforms. We are limited by the axles, tires, etc. Marketing is the reason they keep upping the numbers (they are primarily selling to men lol).
I wish they would keep the power and torque the same but work on mileage and a better driving product. For example, amateur tuners are getting better mileage and have the truck driver better than engineers at huge car companies by a simple ECM tune.
And these trucks are still emissions complaint? Chris
Most not so much emission compliant. However, a tuner can add MPG and make the truck drive better without changing any emissions.
But yes, emission requirements have definitely made MPGs a challenge when they have to use fuel to burn off soot. DEF has helped, but I'm surprised they haven't found a better way yet. Well except for Volkswagen.
