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- It is apples and oranges. If I were going to tow that much weight very often I wouldn't want either one of them.
goducks10 wrote:
I think the biggest thing to draw from this comparison is how poorly the F150 towed the same weight as the heavier Nissan did. Just proves that you can't have too much truck. So many of the Ford 3.5 owners get all giddy when they hit the gas pedal going up a hill and I'm sure there's reason for the excitement. JMO but I'd rather show up at the same destination relaxed and ready for another 100 miles a few minutes late than early and tired. In the real world when you have to follow speed limits my guess is both truck will arrive at the same time.
I would tend to agree. Even though the towing and axle ratings are ho-hum on the XD, it's pretty clearly a half step up in the real world over the standard half ton crowd just by virtue of the extra mass and somewhat up-sized running gear. I still struggle with the advantages it would have over a regular heavy duty truck, though. I guess it might ride a little bit softer...but so what? That's a pretty meaningless advantage, imo.demiles wrote:
spud1957 wrote:
Ford over rates the TWR for the F150 to sell trucks to uneducated consumers and obviously there’s lot of them out there. Nissan on the other hand gives realistic TWRs for its vehicles.
BS. Tow ratings by Ford and Nissan use SAEJ2807. Same methods and standards by both.
http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/towing-standards-adopted-gm-ford-ram-nissan/
Yes they do. Just goes to show the standard has its flaws.
I don't think the standard tests for towing stability. It also doesn't test for a long down hill grade where brakes are constantly needed and rather just tests for an emergency stop situation.
Although, as I said earlier, the F150 HD would be a better comparison to the Titan XD than the truck they used. The only real competitor to the Titan XD gas is the Ram 2500 with the 5.7L. It's ratings are lower than the 6.4L and CTD, and are very similar to the gas engine Titan XD. The Ram 2500 5.7L has a GVWR of 9,000 and a tow rating of around 13,000 and the Titan XD 5.7L has a GVWR of 8,990 and a tow rating of about 12,000.
While I have no doubt that the F150 Ecoboost can easily tow 12k and would be fine for those that don't do it very often with at short distances. The lower weight of the new body styles probably won't make that much weight very fun to tow on long trips. Stepping up to something a little heavier and more stable would probably best for those who plan on towing that much eight more often.spud1957 wrote:
Ford over rates the TWR for the F150 to sell trucks to uneducated consumers and obviously there’s lot of them out there. Nissan on the other hand gives realistic TWRs for its vehicles.
BS. Tow ratings by Ford and Nissan use SAEJ2807. Same methods and standards by both.
http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/towing-standards-adopted-gm-ford-ram-nissan/
Yes they do. Just goes to show the standard has its flaws.- I think the biggest thing to draw from this comparison is how poorly the F150 towed the same weight as the heavier Nissan did. Just proves that you can't have too much truck. So many of the Ford 3.5 owners get all giddy when they hit the gas pedal going up a hill and I'm sure there's reason for the excitement. JMO but I'd rather show up at the same destination relaxed and ready for another 100 miles a few minutes late than early and tired. In the real world when you have to follow speed limits my guess is both truck will arrive at the same time.
Ford over rates the TWR for the F150 to sell trucks to uneducated consumers and obviously there’s lot of them out there. Nissan on the other hand gives realistic TWRs for its vehicles.
BS. Tow ratings by Ford and Nissan use SAEJ2807. Same methods and standards by both.
http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/towing-standards-adopted-gm-ford-ram-nissan/rjstractor wrote:
I think that many of you guys viewed this test as some sort of competition, and TFL portrays it as such. I looked at it differently, and I think it underscores the fact that there is more to towing comfortably than what is under the hood and the factory tow ratings. It's the reason that most guys would choose a 250/2500 series truck to tow a trailer approaching 12,000 lbs., and it's the reason the Titan handled that trailer better with the exception of uphill speed. For that trailer I would certainly pick an F250 or 350 with the 6.2 even though the F150 with the Ecoboost will get up the hill faster. And I doubt the selection of the HD version of the F150 would have made much difference, the XD is still much heavier both loaded and unloaded.
Well said!rjstractor wrote:
I think that many of you guys viewed this test as some sort of competition, and TFL portrays it as such. I looked at it differently, and I think it underscores the fact that there is more to towing comfortably than what is under the hood and the factory tow ratings. It's the reason that most guys would choose a 250/2500 series truck to tow a trailer approaching 12,000 lbs., and it's the reason the Titan handled that trailer better with the exception of uphill speed. For that trailer I would certainly pick an F250 or 350 with the 6.2 even though the F150 with the Ecoboost will get up the hill faster. And I doubt the selection of the HD version of the F150 would have made much difference, the XD is still much heavier both loaded and unloaded.
x2- I think that many of you guys viewed this test as some sort of competition, and TFL portrays it as such. I looked at it differently, and I think it underscores the fact that there is more to towing comfortably than what is under the hood and the factory tow ratings. It's the reason that most guys would choose a 250/2500 series truck to tow a trailer approaching 12,000 lbs., and it's the reason the Titan handled that trailer better with the exception of uphill speed. For that trailer I would certainly pick an F250 or 350 with the 6.2 even though the F150 with the Ecoboost will get up the hill faster. And I doubt the selection of the HD version of the F150 would have made much difference, the XD is still much heavier both loaded and unloaded.
- TFL hit this one right on the money. The comparison is valid based on the tow rating the manufacturer gives for each truck which is how consumers may select a vehicle. If you did the comparison any other way such as GVWR, GCWR, or Class designations then yes it’s apples to oranges. Ford over rates the TWR for the F150 to sell trucks to uneducated consumers and obviously there’s lot of them out there. Nissan on the other hand gives realistic TWRs for its vehicles.
