2019 Ram HD
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New 2019 Ram HD
New 2019 Ram HD
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blofgren wrote:
Me Again wrote:
BigToe wrote:
1. Bosch cleverly invented the use of automotive air bag pre charged gas cartridges to stop the motion of table saw blades if an operator's hand made contact with the blade. Bosch's design was actually preferable to the competitor's blade stopping technology which destroyed the teeth of the saw blade in order to stop it. Bosch's air bag cartridge design saved the blade, and saved the fingers.
The problem was, the flesh detection technology that Bosch utilized to sense when the fingers were about to be cut was already patented by the competitor, called Saw Stop, which introduced the entire concept of safer table saws to market. Bosch built upon that idea, and introduced an improvement to the blade braking aspect, but Bosch refused to license the flesh sensing aspect from Saw Stop.
I was the monitor in our snowbird park's wood shop when one of the other monitors trip the Saw Stop. Sounded like a shotgun was fired. I hung the blade and stop module from the beam above the saw stuck together. It is a very nice saw. We have it built into a table big enough to rip a 4x8 sheet of plywood without needing some to catch the pieces.
He was cutting small pieces of wood for wooden toy and used a carpenter's pencil to hold the small piece to the saw fence as he pushed it threw. The lead in the paint on the pencil triggered the stop.
Chris
Very interesting!
BigToe wrote:
Yes, Ricatic's experience still reverberates in my mind every time I think about new Fords as well. And there are several other stories and story tellers. The ones that stick in the mind most are the Saul of Tarsus turned Paul the Apostle type of about faces, where the ardent advocates of Ford diesels, who boasted of never having a problem, suddenly get a problem, and don't get any assistance, even when still under warranty. Hell hath no fury like a fanboi scorned.
All brands can occasionally have problems, and all corporations can occasionally demonstrate some resistance to honoring their warranty. But I've read more stories about Ford denying warranty on Ford diesel trucks, particularly with the 6.7L engine, and particularly the fuel system of that engine, than any other corporate entity denying warranty for any other brand of product.
I've purchased more Ford vehicles than any other brand, btw, and currently own seven Fords (some are business vehicles). So my observation above is not biased by a predilection toward, or preference for, a competing brand. It is simply a concern about how Ford is treating customers with CP4.x fuel system failures. I feel fortunate not to be one of them.
I mentioned this years ago when Ricatic's experience would generate volumes of comments. Ford was/is very reluctant to cover CP4 issues likely because they don't feel they have to, and they are right. Lessons learned from the 6.0 and 6.4 debacle proved their position is solid. There would be no kickback from the CP4 issues that at the end of the day would matter. Ford still sells more HD diesels than the other two. This was the case in the later 2000's when the issues with the 6.0 and 6.4 were well known. Yet Ford buyers still bought Ford diesels, many of whom were victimized by their last Ford diesel purchase. Ford has been in an enviable position. The loyalty of their customers has been stronger than Ford's own committment to those same customers. Yet they still sell more HD diesels than does anyone else. The CP4 issues were not the only problems with the inital rollout of the 6.7 it just got more internet play than anything else did. Ford certainly lost sales over these issues, but not enough to tip the numbers enough to make them reconsider their position. I dont think Ram or GM could/can afford this position in the HD market. Hopefully I am right, if the CP4 causes issue in the Ram pickup, that Ram will stand behind it. With the 2020 GM HD finally speced at or above Ram, I dont think they want to surrender the number 2 position in HD sales by upsetting their reputation with current or potential owners.BigToe wrote:
Yes, Ricatic's experience still reverberates in my mind every time I think about new Fords as well. And there are several other stories and story tellers. The ones that stick in the mind most are the Saul of Tarsus turned Paul the Apostle type of about faces, where the ardent advocates of Ford diesels, who boasted of never having a problem, suddenly get a problem, and don't get any assistance, even when still under warranty. Hell hath no fury like a fanboi scorned.
All brands can occasionally have problems, and all corporations can occasionally demonstrate some resistance to honoring their warranty. But I've read more stories about Ford denying warranty on Ford diesel trucks, particularly with the 6.7L engine, and particularly the fuel system of that engine, than any other corporate entity denying warranty for any other brand of product.
I've purchased more Ford vehicles than any other brand, btw, and currently own seven Fords (some are business vehicles). So my observation above is not biased by a predilection toward, or preference for, a competing brand. It is simply a concern about how Ford is treating customers with CP4.x fuel system failures. I feel fortunate not to be one of them.
I mentioned this years ago when Ricatic's experience would generate volumes of comments. Ford was/is very reluctant to cover CP4 issues likely because they don't feel they have to, and they are right. Lessons learned from the 6.0 and 6.4 debacle proved their position is solid. There would be no kickback from the CP4 issues that at the end of the day would matter. Ford still sells more HD diesels than the other two. This was the case in the later 2000's when the issues with the 6.0 and 6.4 were well known. Yet Ford buyers still bought Ford diesels, many of whom were victimized by their last Ford diesel purchase. Ford has been in an enviable position. The loyalty of their customers has been stronger than Ford's own committment to those same customers. Yet they still sell more HD diesels than does anyone else. The CP4 issues were not the only problems with the inital rollout of the 6.7 it just got more internet play than anything else did. Ford certainly lost sales over these issues, but not enough to tip the numbers enough to make them reconsider their position. I dont think Ram or GM could/can afford this position in the HD market. Hopefully I am right, if the CP4 causes issue in the Ram pickup, that Ram will stand behind it. With the 2020 GM HD finally speced at or above Ram, I dont think they want to surrender the number 2 position in HD sales by upsetting their reputation with current or potential owners.BigToe wrote:
Yes, Ricatic's experience still reverberates in my mind every time I think about new Fords as well. And there are several other stories and story tellers. The ones that stick in the mind most are the Saul of Tarsus turned Paul the Apostle type of about faces, where the ardent advocates of Ford diesels, who boasted of never having a problem, suddenly get a problem, and don't get any assistance, even when still under warranty. Hell hath no fury like a fanboi scorned.
All brands can occasionally have problems, and all corporations can occasionally demonstrate some resistance to honoring their warranty. But I've read more stories about Ford denying warranty on Ford diesel trucks, particularly with the 6.7L engine, and particularly the fuel system of that engine, than any other corporate entity denying warranty for any other brand of product.
I've purchased more Ford vehicles than any other brand, btw, and currently own seven Fords (some are business vehicles). So my observation above is not biased by a predilection toward, or preference for, a competing brand. It is simply a concern about how Ford is treating customers with CP4.x fuel system failures. I feel fortunate not to be one of them.
I mentioned this years ago when Ricatic's experience would generate volumes of comments. Ford was/is very reluctant to cover CP4 issues likely because they don't feel they have to, and they are right. Lessons learned from the 6.0 and 6.4 debacle proved their position is solid. There would be no kickback from the CP4 issues that at the end of the day would matter. Ford still sells more HD diesels than the other two. This was the case in the later 2000's when the issues with the 6.0 and 6.4 were well known. Yet Ford buyers still bought Ford diesels, many of whom were victimized by their last Ford diesel purchase. Ford has been in an enviable position. The loyalty of their customers has been stronger than Ford's own committment to those same customers. Yet they still sell more HD diesels than does anyone else. The CP4 issues were not the only problems with the inital rollout of the 6.7 it just got more internet play than anything else did. Ford certainly lost sales over these issues, but not enough to tip the numbers enough to make them reconsider their position. I dont think Ram or GM could/can afford this position in the HD market. Hopefully I am right, if the CP4 causes issue in the Ram pickup, that Ram will stand behind it. With the 2020 GM HD finally speced at or above Ram, I dont think they want to surrender the number 2 position in HD sales by upsetting their reputation with current or potential owners.Me Again wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.
Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.
According to this recent report, not in the US. Canada has better quality diesel vs the US. Been that way for many years. Canada diesel meets Bosch quality requirements.
https://www.todaystrucking.com/added-value-does-your-diesel-need-a-fuel-additive/
Believe it or not, California mandates 50 Cetane minimum as well.4bearhug wrote:
ricatic wrote:
Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...
Glad to be back
Regards
I just wanted to let you know that your experience was the primary reason that I ruled out a F350 when I was looking for a diesel 3500 in 2014-15. I still think a warranty should mean some protection against defective components. Ford seems to feel differently.Glad to hear that you've been happy with your vehicle.
x2 and subsequently bought my truck new in March, 2014. Glad you're happy with your new truck, Ricatic and nice to see you back! :)- Yes, Ricatic's experience still reverberates in my mind every time I think about new Fords as well. And there are several other stories and story tellers. The ones that stick in the mind most are the Saul of Tarsus turned Paul the Apostle type of about faces, where the ardent advocates of Ford diesels, who boasted of never having a problem, suddenly get a problem, and don't get any assistance, even when still under warranty. Hell hath no fury like a fanboi scorned.
All brands can occasionally have problems, and all corporations can occasionally demonstrate some resistance to honoring their warranty. But I've read more stories about Ford denying warranty on Ford diesel trucks, particularly with the 6.7L engine, and particularly the fuel system of that engine, than any other corporate entity denying warranty for any other brand of product.
I've purchased more Ford vehicles than any other brand, btw, and currently own seven Fords (some are business vehicles). So my observation above is not biased by a predilection toward, or preference for, a competing brand. It is simply a concern about how Ford is treating customers with CP4.x fuel system failures. I feel fortunate not to be one of them. ricatic wrote:
Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...
Glad to be back
Regards
I just wanted to let you know that your experience was the primary reason that I ruled out a F350 when I was looking for a diesel 3500 in 2014-15. I still think a warranty should mean some protection against defective components. Ford seems to feel differently.Glad to hear that you've been happy with your vehicle.Me Again wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
I also believe the fuel suppliers were forced to improve the quality of their diesel after insurance companies forced them to pay up.
Having said that I have drained some small amounts of water from the water/fuel filter.
According to this recent report, not in the US. Canada has better quality diesel vs the US. Been that way for many years. Canada diesel meets Bosch quality requirements.
https://www.todaystrucking.com/added-value-does-your-diesel-need-a-fuel-additive/
The insurance companies will have zero influence on lubricity, but I meant the fuel stores and suppliers who allow water to get into the tanks or pump gasoline into a diesel tank. They're the ones that get the bill from the insurance company.
I believe Exxon/Mobil Diesel Efficient fuel is a excellent step in improving fuel quality from an oil company and it doesn't require additives.ricatic wrote:
Well... I see that after another year passed by...the Bosch CP 4 discussions continue...me...I bought the 2015 Ram and have put 20000 miles on it...very happy with the purchase...the CP 4 is a deal breaker for me so I am twice as happy that I bought the 2015...I see the truck lasting me for years so I have no concerns about what any of the manufacturers do until then...
Glad to be back
Regards
Nice to hear from you!
