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- I have to agree with the second post on that thread, how do you break both tie rods? I just can’t see what on that obstacle could have caused that.
FishOnOne wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Not all of those had front lockers. The only one of those that had a front locker with IFS was the FJ and they were known for busting axle shafts which even the FJ guys will tell you (LINK).
In the kind of rock crawling off roading I do, you see broken IFS front end parts all over the trails especially ones with front lockers. These parts(which are much smaller and weaker than SFA) will wear a lot quicker and are not as reliable off road as the solid axles. The problem gets worse when you start adding larger and heavier tires. I can't tell you how many times our group has had to go around an obstacle because an IFS with lockers grenaded trying to go up.
Then there is the fact of less traction on technical obstacles. IFS's will generally have one tire off the ground to where a solid axle will have both on the ground aiding traction. This is also one of the reason why they grenade. Since only one wheel has traction, the driver has to apply more throttle and starts to hop because the components are in a bind. This hopping and acceleration is not good for axle shafts since only one tire has all the weight and traction on the front end. IFS's without lockers do not tend to grenade as often, but cannot go up the really technical obstacles that lockers can.
Not saying it can't do it, it is just not ideal and is better suited for fast off roading where IFS shines over solid axles.
And it looks like what I stated here has begun......
2021 Bronco snaps both tie rods valiantly on extreme obstacle
The axle shafts looked good to me... And having lockers means its less critical that all four tires are on the ground in order to gain the necessary traction.
What I stated the Bronco will more than enough perform as a daily driver and perform the vast majority of the offroad duties. If extreme rock crawling is your thing I'm sure the aftermarket will have the parts just like they do for the Jeep.
Notice I said "you see broken IFS front end parts all over the trails", not just axle shafts. Even multiple Bronco owners in that thread stated that the solid axle of the Wrangler is better in that situation just like post #14 did. Don't need any aftermarket mods to make my dana 44 front/rear axles or linkage components stronger and it would definitely handle that kind of rock crawling with stock components without braking. As I said, rock crawling is IFS's weak link and should be left to the solid axle vehicles unless you want to see your front end parts all over the trail.ShinerBock wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Not all of those had front lockers. The only one of those that had a front locker with IFS was the FJ and they were known for busting axle shafts which even the FJ guys will tell you (LINK).
In the kind of rock crawling off roading I do, you see broken IFS front end parts all over the trails especially ones with front lockers. These parts(which are much smaller and weaker than SFA) will wear a lot quicker and are not as reliable off road as the solid axles. The problem gets worse when you start adding larger and heavier tires. I can't tell you how many times our group has had to go around an obstacle because an IFS with lockers grenaded trying to go up.
Then there is the fact of less traction on technical obstacles. IFS's will generally have one tire off the ground to where a solid axle will have both on the ground aiding traction. This is also one of the reason why they grenade. Since only one wheel has traction, the driver has to apply more throttle and starts to hop because the components are in a bind. This hopping and acceleration is not good for axle shafts since only one tire has all the weight and traction on the front end. IFS's without lockers do not tend to grenade as often, but cannot go up the really technical obstacles that lockers can.
Not saying it can't do it, it is just not ideal and is better suited for fast off roading where IFS shines over solid axles.
And it looks like what I stated here has begun......
2021 Bronco snaps both tie rods valiantly on extreme obstacle
The axle shafts looked good to me... And having lockers means its less critical that all four tires are on the ground in order to gain the necessary traction.
What I stated the Bronco will more than enough perform as a daily driver and perform the vast majority of the offroad duties. If extreme rock crawling is your thing I'm sure the aftermarket will have the parts just like they do for the Jeep.
Based on what I've seen from the new Bronco my money is on it for now.
LinkShinerBock wrote:
Not all of those had front lockers. The only one of those that had a front locker with IFS was the FJ and they were known for busting axle shafts which even the FJ guys will tell you (LINK).
In the kind of rock crawling off roading I do, you see broken IFS front end parts all over the trails especially ones with front lockers. These parts(which are much smaller and weaker than SFA) will wear a lot quicker and are not as reliable off road as the solid axles. The problem gets worse when you start adding larger and heavier tires. I can't tell you how many times our group has had to go around an obstacle because an IFS with lockers grenaded trying to go up.
Then there is the fact of less traction on technical obstacles. IFS's will generally have one tire off the ground to where a solid axle will have both on the ground aiding traction. This is also one of the reason why they grenade. Since only one wheel has traction, the driver has to apply more throttle and starts to hop because the components are in a bind. This hopping and acceleration is not good for axle shafts since only one tire has all the weight and traction on the front end. IFS's without lockers do not tend to grenade as often, but cannot go up the really technical obstacles that lockers can.
Not saying it can't do it, it is just not ideal and is better suited for fast off roading where IFS shines over solid axles.
And it looks like what I stated here has begun......
2021 Bronco snaps both tie rods valiantly on extreme obstacledodge guy wrote:
Well I'm sure Jeep will wait for the Broncos release so they can trump it the same day with the 392 Wrangler!
The only possible issue I see with that option is will Jeep be able to price it to be competitive. Currently the top level Bronco and Wrangler are close. I don't think it would actually pull away possible Bronco purchasers. But could make some movement within current Wrangler owners/lovers.FishOnOne wrote:
mich800 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Here's some comparisons of the Bronco vs the Jeep. Also Jeep advertised hinting with adding a 392 Hemi to the engine list.
Link
I am thinking a very expensive option. But...they are out there testing in plain sight. No camo. So unless you are close enough to hear or are observant enough to notice the dual rear exit exhaust it's just a Wrangler.
I can't help but wonder if the Jeep will have enough radiator to cool that V8.
The aftermarket has no problem with it!- Well I'm sure Jeep will wait for the Broncos release so they can trump it the same day with the 392 Wrangler!
ShinerBock wrote:
GWolfe wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
The Hummer H3 was another IFS with front lockers and it was even worse than the FJ.
I was excited about it until I learned it was IFS which is not ideal for the kind of off roading I do. I will stick with my JK.
Folks seem to love the Toyota 4Runner, FJ and Tacomas just fine, not reason this can't be a performer offroad. Its less of a compromise to live with than a Solid front axle rig.
H3s from 08 or 09 and up could be had with a front locker.
Yep, and they too left front end parts all over the place. Just scroll through the old H3 forums and you will see countless of threads like this..... (LINK).
The H3 used parts from the GM trucks parts bin which weren't designed for severe off road use.GWolfe wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
The Hummer H3 was another IFS with front lockers and it was even worse than the FJ.
I was excited about it until I learned it was IFS which is not ideal for the kind of off roading I do. I will stick with my JK.
Folks seem to love the Toyota 4Runner, FJ and Tacomas just fine, not reason this can't be a performer offroad. Its less of a compromise to live with than a Solid front axle rig.
H3s from 08 or 09 and up could be had with a front locker.
Yep, and they too left front end parts all over the place. Just scroll through the old H3 forums and you will see countless of threads like this..... (LINK).ShinerBock wrote:
alexleblanc wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
The Hummer H3 was another IFS with front lockers and it was even worse than the FJ.
I was excited about it until I learned it was IFS which is not ideal for the kind of off roading I do. I will stick with my JK.
Folks seem to love the Toyota 4Runner, FJ and Tacomas just fine, not reason this can't be a performer offroad. Its less of a compromise to live with than a Solid front axle rig.
H3s from 08 or 09 and up could be had with a front locker.
