2021 Ford Bronco

ShinerBock wrote:

mich800 wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:
Nice rugged vehicle, but the unanswerable question at this point is- just how many of the new Broncos will EVER be driven off-road? Much like any other SUV, regardless of their actual capabilities, very very few ever see anything other than pavement under their tires. Just an observation.

At least the same percentage as the Wrangler which is its direct competition. No different really than the pickup market. There is a reason the tonneau cover is such a popular option. Need to keep them groceries dry. :B

And the same can be said of all those muscle/sports cars that never see a track.

True. But I have a blast going 0-60 everywhere I go. Another reason I prefer the manual. If you need to stay within legal, may as well enjoy actively driving.

mich800 wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:
Nice rugged vehicle, but the unanswerable question at this point is- just how many of the new Broncos will EVER be driven off-road? Much like any other SUV, regardless of their actual capabilities, very very few ever see anything other than pavement under their tires. Just an observation.

At least the same percentage as the Wrangler which is its direct competition. No different really than the pickup market. There is a reason the tonneau cover is such a popular option. Need to keep them groceries dry. :B

And the same can be said of all those muscle/sports cars that never see a track.

A1ARealtorRick wrote:
Nice rugged vehicle, but the unanswerable question at this point is- just how many of the new Broncos will EVER be driven off-road? Much like any other SUV, regardless of their actual capabilities, very very few ever see anything other than pavement under their tires. Just an observation.

At least the same percentage as the Wrangler which is its direct competition. No different really than the pickup market. There is a reason the tonneau cover is such a popular option. Need to keep them groceries dry. :B

Nice rugged vehicle, but the unanswerable question at this point is- just how many of the new Broncos will EVER be driven off-road? Much like any other SUV, regardless of their actual capabilities, very very few ever see anything other than pavement under their tires. Just an observation.

FishOnOne wrote:


I don't know what type of off roading you do, but I'm sure you know what's best for you.

As for long travel suspension this reflects stock configuration.

Yes, I do know what is best for the kind of off roading I do. Hence the reason why I said it and why I also said everyone's off roading is different. If you are not looking to do any technical rock crawling and most of your off roading is above 25 mph then IFS is the way to go especially if it is also going to be used as a daily that you want the utmost comfort on.

However, if most of your off roading is rock crawling at speeds less than 10 mph and you want something that can handle more weight and abuse, then SFA is the way to go. There are many people that daily SFA's (like many Ford SD and Ram HD owners) with no issues, but I understand that there are some out there that are willing to sacrifice slow speed off roading capability and robustness for more comfort.

Neither the standard 7.8" front travel nor the 10" on the Badlands version is a long travel suspension. You would likely have to spend around $15k or more to make it a long travel suspension that would get you in the ballpark of maybe between 15-20 inches of travel. On the flip side, and SFA can go up to around 30 inches of travel with a $3,500 kit and a fender kit that will cost you between $300-700 depending on the brand.

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

LOL Shiner... Just a reminder that I'm not your boy Ryan so I'm not going into your endless back and fourth circle jerk. We're looking for my wife's next vehicle and for now the Bronco looks like it could be a good fit for her and our needs. Also the Bronco looks like it has better leg room which is important for me but will have to verify and I would have liked to see electric seats.

Then why did you quote me in the first place when all I was explaining was why this thing was not ideal for me due to IFS and why IFS is not good for the the type of off roading I do. What does you and your wife's needs/wants have to do with how I use my vehicle off road?

I basically said I was excited about this thing until I found out it was IFS and then explained why IFS is not ideal for the type of off roading I do in a subsequent post. I even stated that IFS is better for high speed off roading in that post. Then you quoted me talking about how IFS is good for you and your wife(which has nothing to do with me), and you also stated that the Bronco had a long travel suspension which I refuted. Not trying to argue here, but I fail to understand what you and your wife's wants/needs has to do with me knowing that IFS is not good for the type of off roading I do.

I don't know what type of off roading you do, but I'm sure you know what's best for you.

As for long travel suspension this reflects stock configuration.

FishOnOne wrote:

LOL Shiner... Just a reminder that I'm not your boy Ryan so I'm not going into your endless back and fourth circle jerk. We're looking for my wife's next vehicle and for now the Bronco looks like it could be a good fit for her and our needs. Also the Bronco looks like it has better leg room which is important for me but will have to verify and I would have liked to see electric seats.

Then why did you quote me in the first place when all I was explaining was why this thing was not ideal for me due to IFS and why IFS is not good for the the type of off roading I do. What does you and your wife's needs/wants have to do with how I use my vehicle off road?

I basically said I was excited about this thing until I found out it was IFS and then explained why IFS is not ideal for the type of off roading I do in a subsequent post. I even stated that IFS is better for high speed off roading in that post. Then you quoted me talking about how IFS is good for you and your wife(which has nothing to do with me), and you also stated that the Bronco had a long travel suspension which I refuted. Not trying to argue here, but I fail to understand what you and your wife's wants/needs has to do with me knowing that IFS is not good for the type of off roading I do.

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

For our off road and daily driver needs a IFS could be the ticket, but will need to test drive to confirm. I would like a soft long travel suspension which it appears how the Bronco is setup.

We came close to pulling the trigger on a Jeep Wrangler but with a few things we didn't like about it, and knowing the Bronco was coming we decided to hold off. Based on what I've seen we made the right decision.

The Bronco doesn't even have a mid-travel suspension let alone a long travel suspension. Heck, even the Raptor doesn't have a mid-travel suspension, but it is very close. If you are gonna use this vehicle as a daily/mall crawler that is not going to do any heavy rock crawling then IFS is the way to go. It will be noticeably smoother than a solid axle Jeep that you would have to throw a grand or so into for the same smoothness. If you do decide to take it on some serious trails, then make sure you bring along spare parts and/or upgrade to stronger materials if they have a lot of miles on them.

I'm sure there's plenty of Rubicons at the malls and I'm sure this Bronco will be more than capable of handling my dirt roads and pulling my 22ft bay boat. This vehicle will be my wifes daily driver as well so no routine rock climbing here. :W

I never said there wasn't Rubicons used as mall crawlers. Heck, Jeepers made up the term for other Jeepers that had bought off road rigs, but never take them off road or use them for what they were built for. Just like people who buy trucks that never haul anything, sports/muscle cars that never go to the track, or sedans that never carry more that two people.

All I said was IFS is a better choice if is is going to be used as a daily/mall crawler because of its comfortable that a sold axle(in stock form). This has nothing to do with brand, and I am not sure why everything boils down to brand in these conversations.

It is like you are taking me saying that IFS is not ideal for my kind of off roading as a personal assault to your preferences or how you will be using this vehicle. Is it because I pointed our a flaw for my preferences in a Ford product and you feel that you have to defend your brand? If this is the case I assure you I say the same about other IFS vehicles meant to go off road like Jeep Cherokees and Ram Rebels.

Per this video the Bronco will have class leading suspension travel with 10" in the front and more than 10" in the back. So I would say this has long travel suspension IMO.

Link

So this is why you are taking it personal? Because I said something that didn't go along with what your brand's marketing department said?

Long travel suspensions generally start around 17+ inches of travel in the front/rear and are very hard to drive on road. Mid travel is around 14-16 inches of travel in the front/rear which depends on the vehicle. In order for this Bronco to have a long travel suspension, it would have have to have a wide footprint because the control arms would have to be much longer(probably longer than what can be legally driven on road). This is why all long travel vehicles have wide and tall fenders to keep the tires from hitting them as they travel up.

If the Bronco had a long travel suspension on it, it would tear those stock fenders up seeing how close they are to the tire especially on the 35 inch tire models.


I also don't care too much about the stock specs of anything because I like to modify my vehicles which is why my JK Rubi has over 22" of travel with it's Metalcloak suspension that cost me around $2,600 and I was able to put it on in a day. It would cost more than three times that amount to do the same on an IFS system and would require some major modifications. All I had to do is trim my fenders a little our buy new ones for about $300-700. Here is the amount of travel that just a 2.5 inch lift can add to an solid axle for just $2,600 on a very minor obstacle (LINK). An IFS would be teeter tottering with only one tire on the ground up front on a simple obstacle like that.

If you want to see what it takes to make the Raptor a mid-travel(from 13 to 16 inches) and what it does for the truck, then you can look at the parts and video in this LINK. The Bronco would have to replace its hood and fenders(like the stock Raptor has) to get the same type of travel because the longer control arms would make the tires stick out much further. On a solid axle, you don't have to widen the whole suspension in order to get more travel like you do on an IFS.

LOL Shiner... Just a reminder that I'm not your boy Ryan so I'm not going into your endless back and fourth circle jerk. We're looking for my wife's next vehicle and for now the Bronco looks like it could be a good fit for her and our needs. Also the Bronco looks like it has better leg room which is important for me but will have to verify and I would have liked to see electric seats.

The new Bronco will surly give Stellantis a run for the money. If there is one constant in the world it is change.

I've been a Jeep owner for quite awhile, 05 Rubicon heavily modded.

Those new "offroad" Broncos are easy on the eyes and will certainly hurt Jeep sales.