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- Grit_dogNavigator
RoyJ wrote:
IdaD wrote:
Nah, you can go lighter than that and be fine. People on this site don't tow much other than campers so they don't know how cargo trailers are loaded. A gooseneck loaded at 10% on the pin, which is typical for a TT camper, will be a lot more stable than the aforementioned TT given the hitch location over the axle.
While I agree with the last sentence, I feel as we approach semi-trailer weights, more weight on the driver is needed for traction.
At 10% (4k lbs) pin weight, starting on a steep wet hill may be an issue. At 20% / 8k lbs, it'll be much better.
A single axle tractor towing a 40k trailer (Pepsi trailer, etc.) would have close to 20k on the drive axle.
Agree, but Pepsi trucks don't have 4wd. You're right though, the towing wars are really gettin good!
Good news is, any of these new doolies (talking 1 tons here) can handle a 7-8klb pin weight without much issue. - mkirschNomad II
RoyJ wrote:
While I agree with the last sentence, I feel as we approach semi-trailer weights, more weight on the driver is needed for traction.
At 10% (4k lbs) pin weight, starting on a steep wet hill may be an issue. At 20% / 8k lbs, it'll be much better.
A single axle tractor towing a 40k trailer (Pepsi trailer, etc.) would have close to 20k on the drive axle.
When bragging about maximum tow capacities, manufacturers are NOT concerned in the least about "real world conditions."
All they care is if the truck can move it on a flat dry road. - ^^^ Now that's FUNNY ! !
I am part of those NE Stinky Oil burners.. we prepay our oil every year to lock into a low price, past year we were locked in at $2.49.. this year its $4.79 and they are telling us to TOP OFF while we can just incase.
Now, I am fortunate that I just completed a fairly sizable addition and while doing that I added 3 of the Mitsubishi mini splits...
I will say that these things are fantastic ! ! With those 3 and the LP fireplace I added,I can run those and hardly tap into the oil burner , at least until it starts getting really cold - larry_barnhartExplorer
Grit dog wrote:
larry barnhart wrote:
Not if diesel isn't available. No towing maybe.
chevman
Larry, some days I wish I was your age so I could get up and give zero forks about what happens to anything with the economy or worldwide!
Hopefully the mid terms next week will restore a bit of normalcy in coming months.
Right now, if Sleepy/Sniffy Joe won't buy erl from the Ruskys and doesn't quit selling our oil all while being anti pertroleum, chit could get pretty chort.
We are both heading for 82 but if my wife's health hadn't gone south we would be south to AZ before Sept ended. I really do care for what others need to have a happy life. Maybe it will happen next week.
chevman
The Nor Easters who still have their stinky oil burners in their homes are already down for about a 30% price hike to keep the frost in the freezer and the faucets thawed this winter....sad really, for people of power to intentionally try to tank their own economy...
But what do I know...took the dear wife for a followup appointment today from yet another major surgery and the PA had some funky blue haired wig on for Halloween. That's cool and in the spirit. Walked out into the hall afters and immediately offended a couple woke teenagers that only answered to "they or their" AND their mother when I said "Cool Halloween Costumes"
Apparently the Orange and Pink haired "theys" weren't dressed for Halloween and the boy's t!ts were real! :E - RoyJExplorer
IdaD wrote:
Nah, you can go lighter than that and be fine. People on this site don't tow much other than campers so they don't know how cargo trailers are loaded. A gooseneck loaded at 10% on the pin, which is typical for a TT camper, will be a lot more stable than the aforementioned TT given the hitch location over the axle.
While I agree with the last sentence, I feel as we approach semi-trailer weights, more weight on the driver is needed for traction.
At 10% (4k lbs) pin weight, starting on a steep wet hill may be an issue. At 20% / 8k lbs, it'll be much better.
A single axle tractor towing a 40k trailer (Pepsi trailer, etc.) would have close to 20k on the drive axle. - blt2skiModerator15% is only 6000 lbs. 20% is 8000,assuming a 40,000 trailer. Thats 34000 on tandem duals, 6000 lbs of HW.
With this said......assuming 14000 payload, including the bed for a C&C ie can and chassis, that a 6000 lb chassis, doable with a base reg cab. OR, they are using axle wts for max gvw. Which could top 16-18k lbs. Or if one uses bridge laws, 20k rear, around 8-10k for front depending upon tire width.
Marty - Grit_dogNavigator
IdaD wrote:
Nah, you can go lighter than that and be fine. People on this site don't tow much other than campers so they don't know how cargo trailers are loaded. A gooseneck loaded at 10% on the pin, which is typical for a TT camper, will be a lot more stable than the aforementioned TT given the hitch location over the axle.
But that would require one to have actual real world experience towing something other than a camper along with some keyboard degree in towing geometry and physics.
Not commonly found here, where folsk wish they could by dual tires that had double the capacity they need so they could keep driving with a flat! LOL (Reference Class C tire thread)) - Grit_dogNavigator
larry barnhart wrote:
Not if diesel isn't available. No towing maybe.
chevman
Larry, some days I wish I was your age so I could get up and give zero forks about what happens to anything with the economy or worldwide!
Hopefully the mid terms next week will restore a bit of normalcy in coming months.
Right now, if Sleepy/Sniffy Joe won't buy erl from the Ruskys and doesn't quit selling our oil all while being anti pertroleum, chit could get pretty chort.
The Nor Easters who still have their stinky oil burners in their homes are already down for about a 30% price hike to keep the frost in the freezer and the faucets thawed this winter....sad really, for people of power to intentionally try to tank their own economy...
But what do I know...took the dear wife for a followup appointment today from yet another major surgery and the PA had some funky blue haired wig on for Halloween. That's cool and in the spirit. Walked out into the hall afters and immediately offended a couple woke teenagers that only answered to "they or their" AND their mother when I said "Cool Halloween Costumes"
Apparently the Orange and Pink haired "theys" weren't dressed for Halloween and the boy's t!ts were real! :E - IdaDExplorer
Cummins12V98 wrote:
mkirsch wrote:
Where's the 8000lb payload number coming from?
20% of the 40,000lb trailer? You all realize that 20% is not a required minimum for a gooseneck, right? Balance the load over the trailer axles, 40K no problem.
You have to have some pin weight or your load will be all over the road. 15% gooseneck is a reasonable number.
Nah, you can go lighter than that and be fine. People on this site don't tow much other than campers so they don't know how cargo trailers are loaded. A gooseneck loaded at 10% on the pin, which is typical for a TT camper, will be a lot more stable than the aforementioned TT given the hitch location over the axle. - Cummins12V98Explorer III
mkirsch wrote:
Where's the 8000lb payload number coming from?
20% of the 40,000lb trailer? You all realize that 20% is not a required minimum for a gooseneck, right? Balance the load over the trailer axles, 40K no problem.
You have to have some pin weight or your load will be all over the road. 15% gooseneck is a reasonable number.
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