2500 Chevy Duramax vs 2500 Ram Cummins on the Ike Gauntlet
Good to see some Ike Gauntlet pulls again and no surprise the Ram performed better than the Chevy in braking performance and fuel economy.
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IdaD wrote:
cptqueeg wrote:
Payload was much different and somehow it was overlooked in the recap.
Payload means jack on these trucks. Check the axle ratings and they're probably very close.
I don't think that size trailer for these trucks is very telling. I don't know if the Ram needs more than 6 speeds or not but I do think the 68RFE is the worst HD diesel transmission. But I also think the Cummins EB has the best of the three.
I would say “least capable” trans available in the big three.Me Again wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
My take is with this small camper the 6 speed/Cummins combo was a good fit. Go to 30k lbs and I believe you'll see a different outcome or different varying size slopes/hills.
Neither one is rated for 30K!
Couple tires and AISIN the RAM would be.IdaD wrote:
cptqueeg wrote:
Payload was much different and somehow it was overlooked in the recap.
Payload means jack on these trucks. Check the axle ratings and they're probably very close.
I don't think that size trailer for these trucks is very telling. I don't know if the Ram needs more than 6 speeds or not but I do think the 68RFE is the worst HD diesel transmission. But I also think the Cummins EB has the best of the three.
Understood. (Couldn't find the ram axle ratings on their web page.)FishOnOne wrote:
My take is with this small camper the 6 speed/Cummins combo was a good fit. Go to 30k lbs and I believe you'll see a different outcome or different varying size slopes/hills.
Neither one is rated for 30K!cptqueeg wrote:
Payload was much different and somehow it was overlooked in the recap.
Payload means jack on these trucks. Check the axle ratings and they're probably very close.
I don't think that size trailer for these trucks is very telling. I don't know if the Ram needs more than 6 speeds or not but I do think the 68RFE is the worst HD diesel transmission. But I also think the Cummins EB has the best of the three.Huntindog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
I di not say it accounted for all of it. But there are many differences, and they add up.Huntindog wrote:
rhagfo wrote:
The 500 LBS is mostly due to it being a higher trim level.... Which will actually work against it in the performance attributes of this test.cptqueeg wrote:
Payload was much different and somehow it was overlooked in the recap.
They did touch on the difference in payload, that the Ram was a true 3/4 ton the Chevy was a one ton labeled as a 3/4 ton with a GVWR of 11,300# if I heard correctly. The Chevy was also 500# heavier than the Ram.
What about the higher trim would add 500# ?
I will ask again what would add SIGNIFICANT weight because of a higher trim level?- Almost all of the comments here come down to the same old Chevy vs Ram debate.
There are millions of these trucks out there towing trailers with no problems and nearly identical results so it still comes down to a matter of brand preference.
That being said I see no reason to put a 10 speed trans behind the Cummins engine because it works just fine the way it is. Cummins12V98 wrote:
True, but go to any brands forums for complaints about the Lie o meters accuracy.. And such a short test compounds the error.Huntindog wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Good to see some Ike Gauntlet pulls again and no surprise the Ram performed better than the Chevy in braking performance and fuel economy.
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Measuring MPGs over such a short distance, using the built in lie O meters is not an accurate representation.
Same with the click fill method.
Bottom line, it take a certain amount of energy to haul weight up a mountain, if the speeds are close, the MPGs will be as well.Cummins12V98 wrote:
I di not say it accounted for all of it. But there are many differences, and they add up.Huntindog wrote:
rhagfo wrote:
The 500 LBS is mostly due to it being a higher trim level.... Which will actually work against it in the performance attributes of this test.cptqueeg wrote:
Payload was much different and somehow it was overlooked in the recap.
They did touch on the difference in payload, that the Ram was a true 3/4 ton the Chevy was a one ton labeled as a 3/4 ton with a GVWR of 11,300# if I heard correctly. The Chevy was also 500# heavier than the Ram.
What about the higher trim would add 500# ?Lwiddis wrote:
RAM sure seemed to win except for payload…2234 vs. over 3000…but hard to pull 20000 pounds with RAM’s small payload.
That’s because GM, like Ford, busted the 3/4 tons out of the 10k gvw rating. No difference in the trucks ( in general) and no real world payload changes. Just GM and Ford making a mess of DOT gvw limits for light truck regulations.
