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Jun 28, 2020

271 Ah upgrade

I'm sitting in the camper now on our shakedown voyage with the new 271 Ah LifePo4 battery I built from 4 3.2 cells I bought from China. This is working out so well that I'm seriously considering building another 271 Ah pack and getting rid of the generator.

When we get home this week we're going to pack for a month of geographic distancing and if I don't need to use the generator once during that trip, it is slated for removal.

I went from 2 100Ah Lifeline AGMs to one 271Ah LifePo battery. So ended up with about 2.5 times the energy storage with about 1/3 to 1/4 of the weight and less than half the space.

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Edit for those just coming to this thread and wanting to do the same upgrade. Go for the Xuba 280 ah cells. They're cheaper and almost exactly the same size.

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This is working out so well that I'm seriously considering building another 271 Ah pack and getting rid of the generator.

When we get home this week we're going to pack for a month of geographic distancing and if I don't need to use the generator once during that trip, it is slated for removal.

I went from 2 100Ah Lifeline AGMs to one 271Ah LifePo battery. So ended up with about 2.5 times the energy storage with about 1/3 to 1/4 of the weight and less than half the space.

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Edit for those just coming to this thread and wanting to do the same upgrade. Go for the Xuba 280 ah cells. They're cheaper and almost exactly the same size.","body@stringLength":"816","rawBody":"I'm sitting in the camper now on our shakedown voyage with the new 271 Ah LifePo4 battery I built from 4 3.2 cells I bought from China. This is working out so well that I'm seriously considering building another 271 Ah pack and getting rid of the generator.

When we get home this week we're going to pack for a month of geographic distancing and if I don't need to use the generator once during that trip, it is slated for removal.

I went from 2 100Ah Lifeline AGMs to one 271Ah LifePo battery. So ended up with about 2.5 times the energy storage with about 1/3 to 1/4 of the weight and less than half the space.

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Edit for those just coming to this thread and wanting to do the same upgrade. Go for the Xuba 280 ah cells. 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mbloof wrote:
4ea of the 3.2v 271AH batteries (paid with PP and delivered to Oregon) $800.
- Mark0.


I wish I had seen this deal first. 4 280ah cells for $583 shipped. They're just slightly bigger the 271's.

If I expand, I'll probably sell my old 271ah pack and build two 280 packs.

So if you already have an external charger which has constant current, constant voltage and you have a good digital meter and you have chargers in your rig that support LiFePo4(or are willing to upgrade), it's hard to pass these suckers up.


For anyone doing a new solar install, I'd definitely recommend the Xuba 280 ah cells.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-07-02T14:11:26.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-02T14:11:26.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3397445/message:3397461","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397460":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3397460","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3397460":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:15360"},"id":"message:3397460","revisionNum":1,"uid":3397460,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3397445"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3397445"},"subject":"Re: 271 Ah upgrade","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397460"},"body":"
mbloof wrote:

The BMS (with Bluetooth) on Amazon is $115.
4ea of the 3.2v 271AH batteries (paid with PP and delivered to Oregon) $800.

So for a whole whooping $915 (plus some connection wire and connectors) is less expensive than a Battleborn.

In a month when everything arrives I'll build and install it. So I'll have a extra LiFePo4 battery. :)

- Mark0.


Here's a picture of the wired up battery before the final piece of kapten tape and styrofoam in the compartment. You will need an external charger(and a lot of patience) to do the initial top balance charge.

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Freep wrote:
I'm sitting in the camper now on our shakedown voyage with the new 271 Ah LifePo4 battery I built from 4 3.2 cells I bought from China. This is working out so well that I'm seriously considering building another 271 Ah pack and getting rid of the generator.

When we get home this week we're going to pack for a month of geographic distancing and if I don't need to use the generator once during that trip, it is slated for removal.

I went from 2 100Ah Lifeline AGMs to one 271Ah LifePo battery. So ended up with about 2.5 times the energy storage with about 1/3 to 1/4 of the weight and less than half the space.


This actually works out very well. While I had already purchased a 100AH Battleborn and I'm currently using that the breakdown on the 'DIY' costs are really good.

The BMS (with Bluetooth) on Amazon is $115.
4ea of the 3.2v 271AH batteries (paid with PP and delivered to Oregon) $800.

So for a whole whooping $915 (plus some connection wire and connectors) is less expensive than a Battleborn.

In a month when everything arrives I'll build and install it. So I'll have a extra LiFePo4 battery. :)


- Mark0.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-07-01T10:50:44.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-01T10:50:44.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3397445/message:3397459","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:1788":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1788","uid":1788,"login":"computermonkey","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-07-20T11:10:31.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1788"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397458":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3397458","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3397458":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1788"},"id":"message:3397458","revisionNum":1,"uid":3397458,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3397445"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3397445"},"subject":"Re: 271 Ah upgrade","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397458"},"body":"
work2much wrote:
On your victron battery protect be advised that victron no longer recommends these on any reverse current applications such as a inverter charger where the current will pass to the battery from a charger instead of from the battery to a load.


Thank you for the notice.

On my set up there is no charging being done on the circuit with the victron and inverter are involved with.

All charging to include the campers converter and solar panels are done only on the BMS side of the circuit.

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A 24 volt inverter system is nicer. Do not need as big of cable etc. I went with the 12 volt because camper system is 12 volt and I all ready had a GoPower 3000 watt inverter.

One thing to consider in making a battery pack is a BMS (Battery Management System). If you were to ever have your camper in cold weather even if not being used, I would suggest getting a BMS with a low temperature disconnect. BMS is also used in protecting the cells from over charge or under discharge. BMS also keeps the cells balanced (same or close to the same voltage) as they charge and discharge. Just cheap insurance on your investment.

I choose to use aluminum case 190 AH cells. Four required in my 12 volt set up. In making the cell pack, I used motorcycle rubber tubes to cut up and created spacers between the cells and a few six inch hose camps to hold everything together. The total weight is right at 34 pounds. The four cells together are smaller then one 12v AGM battery. The two batteries this replaced where 110 pounds total weight.

The choices are endless in set ups.

I choose to have two circuits coming off the battery. One will use the BMS. This circuit will have the campers 12 volt system to include, the campers lights, TV, refrigerator, fans etc., campers convertor and the solar charging connected to it. This will be a 100amp continuous charge/discharge capable. The second will have a 250amp bus fuse going to a 220AMP Victron battery protect then to a 3000 watt GoPower inverter. If one wanted to use a 1000 watt continuous inverter, you would only really need the BMS circuit.

The GoPower 3000 watt inverter is connected to a second 30amp transfer switch which is wired into the primary 30amp transfer switch with shore power being primary and generator and inverter being secondary. The GoPower inverter powers all 110 volt receptacles. The campers converter is on an on/off switch and usually stays off. The solar handles the charging of the batteries for the most part.
Just a test I ran the A/C on high for an hour and ten minutes with about fifty percent battery left. Check all the wiring transfer switches and parts, nothing got hot, just a five degrees warmer then the surrounding which the outside temp was eighty eight degrees.

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I did a write up on our LiFePO4 system in our TC

HERE

Recently I have relocated this bank into a 5th wheel and changed the cell configuration from (2) 12v 300 Ah batteries into a single 24v@ 300 Ah battery and went with a 24v magnum 4000 watt inverter. I did add a cheap 200Ah@24v Daly BMS this time as a safety net since they are readily available now and not expensive in lieu of the low voltage disconnect I was using before.



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silverbullet555 wrote:

Awesome. Do they require a special converter for charging or will any multi stage converter work with them?


The charging profile is different and do need special chargers. For example, there is no \"float\". My cells stay around 3.3 volts for a majority of the state of charge. It's a very flat curve. So battery monitors that rely on voltage don't tell you anything.

They also charge a heck of a lot faster than FLA or AGM batteries.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-06-29T07:12:37.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-06-29T07:12:37.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3397445/message:3397454","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397453":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3397453","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3397453":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:15360"},"id":"message:3397453","revisionNum":1,"uid":3397453,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3397445"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3397445"},"subject":"Re: 271 Ah upgrade","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397453"},"body":"
theoldwizard1 wrote:

How much solar power do you have ?

I would still want a small (? 2200W) as a back up for cloudy days.


The first upgrade after our last trip was replacing the 90W panel with 2 150W panels. I also switched the PWM controller with a Victron MPPT controller","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-06-29T06:48:00.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-06-29T06:48:00.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3397445/message:3397453","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2555":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2555","uid":2555,"login":"silverbullet555","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2020-05-28T12:52:51.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2555"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397452":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3397452","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3397452":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2555"},"id":"message:3397452","revisionNum":1,"uid":3397452,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3397445"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3397445"},"subject":"Re: 271 Ah upgrade","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3397452"},"body":"
Freep wrote:
silverbullet555 wrote:
Is LifePo different than LiPo which can have an issue with fire?


They are different. LifePo4, AKA Lithium Iron Phosphate, are much safer and I believe have a higher energy density.


Awesome. 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