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Jun 19, 2015

3/4 Ton as Dedicated TV?

I appreciate all the expertise from the contributors to this forum. The amount of misinformation we've received from dealers/salespeople is discouraging, so it's great to have a forum like this with p...
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The amount of misinformation we've received from dealers/salespeople is discouraging, so it's great to have a forum like this with p...","body@stringLength":"1128","rawBody":"I appreciate all the expertise from the contributors to this forum. The amount of misinformation we've received from dealers/salespeople is discouraging, so it's great to have a forum like this with people who actually tow!

We are planning on stepping up to a Forest River Salem 30QBSS:

Dry weight = 6575
GVWR = 9780
Hitch weight = 980

This also means we will need to step up in TV class.

We stopped at a Ford dealer to look at F150/250s and were told the Expedition could pull that TT weight with no problem, but right off the bat the max tongue weight for the Expedition (with WD) is only 920# which seems to eliminate it right away.

We have two kids and would prefer to pull this with a full-size SUV but a ~'05 Suburban 8.1 is probably not an option for us, so I'm starting to focus on a slightly older 3/4 ton truck to use as a dedicated TV.

I would appreciate any input anybody would like to provide. I've learned a lot looking throughout this forum but every situation is a little different so just wanted to post mine. Thank you ahead of time.","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2015-06-19T08:10:49.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1835809_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":9007},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"I appreciate all the expertise from the contributors to this forum. The amount of misinformation we've received from dealers/salespeople is discouraging, so it's great to have a forum like this with people who actually tow!

We are planning on stepping up to a Forest River Salem 30QBSS:

Dry weight = 6575
GVWR = 9780
Hitch weight = 980

This also means we will need to step up in TV class.

We stopped at a Ford dealer to look at F150/250s and were told the Expedition could pull that TT weight with no problem, but right off the bat the max tongue weight for the Expedition (with WD) is only 920# which seems to eliminate it right away.

We have two kids and would prefer to pull this with a full-size SUV but a ~'05 Suburban 8.1 is probably not an option for us, so I'm starting to focus on a slightly older 3/4 ton truck to use as a dedicated TV.

I would appreciate any input anybody would like to provide. I've learned a lot looking throughout this forum but every situation is a little different so just wanted to post mine. Thank you ahead of time."},"Conversation:conversation:1835809":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:1835809","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1835809"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2016-05-27T06:20:01.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2016-05-27T06:20:01.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":65,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1835809":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1835809","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:1835809_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:1835809_1","lastEditTime":"2015-06-19T08:10:49.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1835868":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:1835868","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1835809"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:370447"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":1835868,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"subject":"Re: 3/4 Ton as Dedicated TV?","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1835868"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1835809"},"body":"
JIMNLIN wrote:
RoyBell wrote:
Curious as how Ford can increase payload so much over other half tons. Is it the Aluminum body, beefier springs? What are the axle ratings?

Because they use a higher 7850 GVWR than other 1/2 tons.
One poster mentioned look at the numbers.
Ok lets do some math.......real numbers.
Any F150 out here cannot carry 2650 lb payload in the bed of the truck. Even the F150 HD with those bigger 4800 RAWR will be over loaded when placing all 2650 lbs in the bed such as a truck camper or 5th wheel or load of RR ties from the farm and ranch store.
The F150 super crew 4x4 truck may weigh 2500 lbs on the rear axle (probably more).
Now add 2650 lbs in the bed.
According to the math 2500 plus 2650 = 5150 lbs for a overloaded 4800 rear axle/wheels and rear suspension.

The most a F150 HD with a 4800 RAWR can carry in the bed is around 2300-2400 lbs before the rear axle is over loaded.

GVWR payloads will be placed over the trucks front and rear axles such as a plumbers over head rack that sits in the bed and the front of the trucks frame.

Years back a 1/2 ton might of had 6200-6600 GVWR and 3800-3900 RAWR so a GVWR payload didn't over load the trucks RAWR.

As was mentione look at the numbers. Then do some math.


Are the axles really 4800lbs?

Ford.com lists curb weight of F150 double cab, 6' bed 4x4 with the 3.5 EB as 4600lbs curb weight.

Assuming 40% over the rear, that's 1840 lbs,

Payload is listed as 2170 lbs for this model. Together that= 4010 lbs, which should be good for most any half ton pickup (my Tundra rear is rated about 4020 lbs I believe).

Not sure what HD raises what to because their site sucks. But if the axles really are upgraded to 4800 lbs I could see payload increasing from 2170lbs to 2970 lbs.

Bravo to Ford for making a light truck. I see where the savings is now. My truck weighs almost 1000 lbs more than the same type of V8 F150. The benefit of the Aluminum body is higher payload/towing.","body@stringLength":"2184","rawBody":"
JIMNLIN wrote:
RoyBell wrote:
Curious as how Ford can increase payload so much over other half tons. Is it the Aluminum body, beefier springs? What are the axle ratings?

Because they use a higher 7850 GVWR than other 1/2 tons.
One poster mentioned look at the numbers.
Ok lets do some math.......real numbers.
Any F150 out here cannot carry 2650 lb payload in the bed of the truck. Even the F150 HD with those bigger 4800 RAWR will be over loaded when placing all 2650 lbs in the bed such as a truck camper or 5th wheel or load of RR ties from the farm and ranch store.
The F150 super crew 4x4 truck may weigh 2500 lbs on the rear axle (probably more).
Now add 2650 lbs in the bed.
According to the math 2500 plus 2650 = 5150 lbs for a overloaded 4800 rear axle/wheels and rear suspension.

The most a F150 HD with a 4800 RAWR can carry in the bed is around 2300-2400 lbs before the rear axle is over loaded.

GVWR payloads will be placed over the trucks front and rear axles such as a plumbers over head rack that sits in the bed and the front of the trucks frame.

Years back a 1/2 ton might of had 6200-6600 GVWR and 3800-3900 RAWR so a GVWR payload didn't over load the trucks RAWR.

As was mentione look at the numbers. Then do some math.


Are the axles really 4800lbs?

Ford.com lists curb weight of F150 double cab, 6' bed 4x4 with the 3.5 EB as 4600lbs curb weight.

Assuming 40% over the rear, that's 1840 lbs,

Payload is listed as 2170 lbs for this model. Together that= 4010 lbs, which should be good for most any half ton pickup (my Tundra rear is rated about 4020 lbs I believe).

Not sure what HD raises what to because their site sucks. But if the axles really are upgraded to 4800 lbs I could see payload increasing from 2170lbs to 2970 lbs.

Bravo to Ford for making a light truck. I see where the savings is now. My truck weighs almost 1000 lbs more than the same type of V8 F150. The benefit of the Aluminum body is higher 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