air lift 1000's and WDH

AH64ID wrote:

Nvr2loud wrote:

AH64ID wrote:

ScottG wrote:
If it doesn't sag, I wouldn't (and don't) use them.
Frankly, I have no need for the bags I put on years ago.

Correct, if it doesn't sag don't use them. Each use is different and I will run as high as 7500 on my rear axle. At 6K I don't need them and think they end up with 10-12 psi after being at 5 with an empty bed.

Just checking... you just keep your airbags at 5 psi and after the payload is applied you check the psi without adding air and it is 10-12?

I fill mine to 35 psi before loading and they maintain the 35 psi after loading. I run them at 10 psi when no payload, 5 psi kept allowing them to slip a little out of the coils and that is when they were prone to splitting. Since keeping them at 10 psi or higher, I get about a year out of the bag (currently at 13 months with fingers crossed)

Yes.

If you are putting them at 35 prior they would only stay at 35 if it was WAY too much and the springs didnt compress at all. That would also mean that all of the weight in on the bags and not your OEM suspension, a combo that leaves a very harsh ride.

It is also reccomended that air is added after hookup to prevent this. On a havey load one can add 50-60 psi, maybe less, when empty and be over 100 when loaded. If you want to fill ahead of time, like many do, then you need to know the unloaded pressure. Load the truck and air up to were you want and check the pressure. Then unload/disconnect and check the pressure. Unless you are using too much air for the load then the pressure will be lower as the suspension stance will increase on an unloaded truck due to the volume of the bag increaseing as the weight is remove and the suspension raises back up.

Right from the Air Lift 1000 owners manual:

Operating Tips

1. Inflate your air springs to 35 PSI before adding the payload. This will allow the air cylinder to properly mesh with the coil spring. After the vehicle is loaded, adjust your air pressure down to level the vehicle and for ride comfort.

I am using the "1000 Air lift bugs" without WDH on my Jeep Wrangler 4dr, towing a ~2000lb Pop-up.
HUGE DIFFERENCE! so much that the WDH become unnecessary (in my case)

I'm thinking about getting the Tuf Truck HD springs for my 1500 Ram. Sag isn't bad but it's there.

Nvr2loud wrote:

AH64ID wrote:

ScottG wrote:
If it doesn't sag, I wouldn't (and don't) use them.
Frankly, I have no need for the bags I put on years ago.

Correct, if it doesn't sag don't use them. Each use is different and I will run as high as 7500 on my rear axle. At 6K I don't need them and think they end up with 10-12 psi after being at 5 with an empty bed.

Just checking... you just keep your airbags at 5 psi and after the payload is applied you check the psi without adding air and it is 10-12?

I fill mine to 35 psi before loading and they maintain the 35 psi after loading. I run them at 10 psi when no payload, 5 psi kept allowing them to slip a little out of the coils and that is when they were prone to splitting. Since keeping them at 10 psi or higher, I get about a year out of the bag (currently at 13 months with fingers crossed)

Yes.

If you are putting them at 35 prior they would only stay at 35 if it was WAY too much and the springs didnt compress at all. That would also mean that all of the weight in on the bags and not your OEM suspension, a combo that leaves a very harsh ride.

It is also reccomended that air is added after hookup to prevent this. On a havey load one can add 50-60 psi, maybe less, when empty and be over 100 when loaded. If you want to fill ahead of time, like many do, then you need to know the unloaded pressure. Load the truck and air up to were you want and check the pressure. Then unload/disconnect and check the pressure. Unless you are using too much air for the load then the pressure will be lower as the suspension stance will increase on an unloaded truck due to the volume of the bag increaseing as the weight is remove and the suspension raises back up.

Nvr2loud wrote:

dodge guy wrote:

Nvr2loud wrote:
I like to use air bags or extra leaf springs to reduce the sag in conjunction with the WDH that is sending weight forward / aft of the rear axle.

I personally do not like the AirLift 1000's, I've currently got them in the coils of my GMC Acadia and they constantly split and need replacement. I would look for a stronger product / stronger coils before installing those AirLifts again.

I have the air lift ride control on my X and it works great.

Maybe the suspension in my Acadia is the problem, but I have always loved AirLift bags in my pickup trucks (with leaf springs) over the years however in the coil springs of my Acadia they have been horrible. They are wonderful when working, major improvement in ride height and handling.... now I just need to keep them from splitting.

Sorry, that wasn't supposed to be a quote, don't know how I did that!

I do agree that the bags inside of the coils will limit the life of the bags.

dodge guy wrote:

Nvr2loud wrote:
I like to use air bags or extra leaf springs to reduce the sag in conjunction with the WDH that is sending weight forward / aft of the rear axle.

I personally do not like the AirLift 1000's, I've currently got them in the coils of my GMC Acadia and they constantly split and need replacement. I would look for a stronger product / stronger coils before installing those AirLifts again.

I have the air lift ride control on my X and it works great.

Maybe the suspension in my Acadia is the problem, but I have always loved AirLift bags in my pickup trucks (with leaf springs) over the years however in the coil springs of my Acadia they have been horrible. They are wonderful when working, major improvement in ride height and handling.... now I just need to keep them from splitting.

Nvr2loud wrote:
I like to use air bags or extra leaf springs to reduce the sag in conjunction with the WDH that is sending weight forward / aft of the rear axle.

I personally do not like the AirLift 1000's, I've currently got them in the coils of my GMC Acadia and they constantly split and need replacement. I would look for a stronger product / stronger coils before installing those AirLifts again.

I have the air lift ride control on my X and it works great.

AH64ID wrote:

ScottG wrote:
If it doesn't sag, I wouldn't (and don't) use them.
Frankly, I have no need for the bags I put on years ago.

Correct, if it doesn't sag don't use them. Each use is different and I will run as high as 7500 on my rear axle. At 6K I don't need them and think they end up with 10-12 psi after being at 5 with an empty bed.

Just checking... you just keep your airbags at 5 psi and after the payload is applied you check the psi without adding air and it is 10-12?

I fill mine to 35 psi before loading and they maintain the 35 psi after loading. I run them at 10 psi when no payload, 5 psi kept allowing them to slip a little out of the coils and that is when they were prone to splitting. Since keeping them at 10 psi or higher, I get about a year out of the bag (currently at 13 months with fingers crossed)

I like to use air bags or extra leaf springs to reduce the sag in conjunction with the WDH that is sending weight forward / aft of the rear axle.

I personally do not like the AirLift 1000's, I've currently got them in the coils of my GMC Acadia and they constantly split and need replacement. I would look for a stronger product / stronger coils before installing those AirLifts again.

ScottG wrote:
If it doesn't sag, I wouldn't (and don't) use them.
Frankly, I have no need for the bags I put on years ago.

Correct, if it doesn't sag don't use them. Each use is different and I will run as high as 7500 on my rear axle. At 6K I don't need them and think they end up with 10-12 psi after being at 5 with an empty bed.