Bedlam wrote:rhagfo wrote:
Bags and timbirn's are one thing, even the bigger pads to engage the upper over loads early, but the device on the bottom will point load the springs, not a good thing.
The device on the bottom is almost at the end of the overload spring and has a flat surface that makes contact - I don't see this putting unusual stress on the spring pack.
http://www.torklift.com/index.php/blog/entry/truck-sag-when-towing
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Bags and timbirn's are one thing, even the bigger pads to engage the upper over loads early, but the device on the bottom will point load the springs, not a good thing.
The device on the bottom is almost at the end of the overload spring and has a flat surface that makes contact - I don't see this putting unusual stress on the spring pack.
http://www.torklift.com/index.php/blog/entry/truck-sag-when-towing
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Bags and timbirn's are one thing, even the bigger pads to engage the upper over loads early, but the device on the bottom will point load the springs, not a good thing.
rhagfo wrote:
Bags and timbirn's are one thing, even the bigger pads to engage the upper over loads early, but the device on the bottom will point load the springs, not a good thing.
C Schomer wrote:
I don't know if all the no-drill kits replace the bump stops... I only have experience with the FS. I imagine they do otherwise you'd probably have to drill some holes. I had a RR xing from h@ll in my area and that's what I used to test the suspension changes I made. With the minimum air psi, the bags crushed solid when I hit those tracks hard. FS made the bottom brackets tall enough to clear the brake line on the left side. I bent that line out of the way and then I was able to cut the brackets down and gained another 3/4\" and I couldn't bottom out on the bags anymore. For me... bending the one brake line and cutting the bottom brackets down was a better fix besides there was no internal bump stop in any of them.
I would get the kit with the internal stops just for insurance. Craig
C Schomer wrote:
I don't know if all the no-drill kits replace the bump stops... I only have experience with the FS. I imagine they do otherwise you'd probably have to drill some holes. I had a RR xing from h@ll in my area and that's what I used to test the suspension changes I made. With the minimum air psi, the bags crushed solid when I hit those tracks hard. FS made the bottom brackets tall enough to clear the brake line on the left side. I bent that line out of the way and then I was able to cut the brackets down and gained another 3/4\" and I couldn't bottom out on the bags anymore. For me... bending the one brake line and cutting the bottom brackets down was a better fix besides there was no internal bump stop in any of them.
I would get the kit with the internal stops just for insurance. Craig
C Schomer wrote:
And I was just curious why rhagfo made the comment about band aids when he has some mods on his OWN truck.
I've used drill kit bags on a truck and I mounted them so the axle would bottom out on the rubber stops before the bags smashed completely. My 03 has the bags that replace the rubber stops and the bags would bottom out until I modded the brackets to give the bags more travel.
The bumpers inside the bags would be a waste of money if they aren't needed but I don't know if you can get enough info (dimensions) from the mfgr to determine if you need them before buying them and seeing for yourself.
After having both kinds... if I had the choice, and that depends on the truck application, between a drill and a no-drill kit, I would MUCH rather have the drill kit. If a no-drill kit that replaces the rubber stops is your only choice, I would say you probably can't go wrong with the internal stops. Craig
C Schomer wrote:
And I was just curious why rhagfo made the comment about band aids when he has some mods on his OWN truck.
I've used drill kit bags on a truck and I mounted them so the axle would bottom out on the rubber stops before the bags smashed completely. My 03 has the bags that replace the rubber stops and the bags would bottom out until I modded the brackets to give the bags more travel.
The bumpers inside the bags would be a waste of money if they aren't needed but I don't know if you can get enough info (dimensions) from the mfgr to determine if you need them before buying them and seeing for yourself.
After having both kinds... if I had the choice, and that depends on the truck application, between a drill and a no-drill kit, I would MUCH rather have the drill kit. If a no-drill kit that replaces the rubber stops is your only choice, I would say you probably can't go wrong with the internal stops. Craig
psford wrote:
I started this thread to get some opinions on a couple brands of airbags, I never asked or needed your opinion on whether I need them or not, nor care what your opinion is. If you want to discuss your trucks capabilities or what it can or can't do start your own thread
On the other hand if you have run the two particular brands I asked about , and would like to add something other then unwanted opinions ,feel free.
psford wrote:
I started this thread to get some opinions on a couple brands of airbags, I never asked or needed your opinion on whether I need them or not, nor care what your opinion is. If you want to discuss your trucks capabilities or what it can or can't do start your own thread
On the other hand if you have run the two particular brands I asked about , and would like to add something other then unwanted opinions ,feel free.
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