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LITEPHIL
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Oct 27, 2020

Another 6.6 gas question

I've really been curious about this engine. I know they should have put the ten speed with it but I'd bet the six speed works pretty good. I don't see any indications that the ten will be hooked to it at least through 2021. I'm thinking by now there would be a number of folks here running this engine.
So what do you think? How's the power and mileage. I don't really care if you've had the 6.o since I've had a couple. Just digging for any info on the new 6.6.
Thanks!
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  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
    Navigator
    Nov 08, 2020
    Well they’re all sold out this year, so they’re all winners!
  • LITEPHIL's avatar
    LITEPHIL
    Explorer
    Nov 08, 2020
    Sjm9911 wrote:
    LITEPHIL wrote:
    Looks like Ford spanked GM pretty good with truck sales. I'd bet that the 6 speed alone was one of the reasons Ford did better.

    I just looked for that info, where did you get it? All 2020 info i find is from october and says gm sells a few more trucks then ford.


    Gosh, I can not find where I read that. I was just bliping through some articles and I read that they had a poor 3rd quarter. Maybe untrue and I retract that if not. But I'm sure their sales of that truck would be better with the 10 speed.
    Thanks for all the input.
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
    Navigator
    Nov 06, 2020
    ^Who cares?
    GM is still s ucking hind teat in the HD gasser market for power and gears..... and I like GMs , but it’s true.
  • Sjm9911's avatar
    Sjm9911
    Explorer
    Nov 06, 2020
    LITEPHIL wrote:
    Looks like Ford spanked GM pretty good with truck sales. I'd bet that the 6 speed alone was one of the reasons Ford did better.

    I just looked for that info, where did you get it? All 2020 info i find is from october and says gm sells a few more trucks then ford.
  • LITEPHIL's avatar
    LITEPHIL
    Explorer
    Nov 06, 2020
    Looks like Ford spanked GM pretty good with truck sales. I'd bet that the 6 speed alone was one of the reasons Ford did better.
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
    Navigator
    Oct 28, 2020
    ls1mike wrote:
    Another thing is the 6L90E is better than the 6L80E. One extra clutch per clutch pack, it is 35MMs longer than an 80E, strengthened input and output shaft with wider gears. 2500HD and 3500HD get the 6L90E and don't suffer the problems people encounter with the 6L80E in half tons. Heat failures and torque issues due to AFM causing the torque converter to go in and out of lock up.

    The 90E first gear is 4.030 vs the 80Es 2.482. That was a huge improvement. 4th gear is 1 to 1 in the 90E and the 80E is 3rd. It diffidently improved the usability of the 6.0 for towing.

    I have one of each at home. The 90E is in my truck. The 80E is in my 2014 Caprice PPV (never in police service) The 80E is behind a 400RWHP/400FT/LBS of torque 6.0.


    But totally apples to oranges, save for the clutches and shafts being "stronger".
    One is built to haul trailers, the other is built to haul @ss!

    But you know that already, and in a half ton, the deeper first gear isn't needed with smaller tire diameter, lower designed duty cycle for towing, lower towing "rating" and built more for cruising than towing...the reason everyone berates half tons here.

    However, I've never had issue getting 14klbs trailer moving with my 6L80E, other than the tq converter was defective since day 1 and it would shudder getting a larger trailer moving....up until it cut loose at about 60k miles! New trans does not shudder now.
  • ls1mike's avatar
    ls1mike
    Explorer II
    Oct 28, 2020
    Another thing is the 6L90E is better than the 6L80E. One extra clutch per clutch pack, it is 35MMs longer than an 80E, strengthened input and output shaft with wider gears. 2500HD and 3500HD get the 6L90E and don't suffer the problems people encounter with the 6L80E in half tons. Heat failures and torque converter issues due to AFM causing the torque converter to go in and out of lock up.

    The 90E first gear is 4.030 vs the 80Es 2.482. That was a huge improvement. 4th gear is 1 to 1 in the 90E and the 80E is 3rd. It diffidently improved the usability of the 6.0 for towing.

    I have one of each at home. The 90E is in my truck. The 80E is in my 2014 Caprice PPV (never in police service) The 80E is behind a 400RWHP/400FT/LBS of torque 6.0.
  • wnjj's avatar
    wnjj
    Explorer II
    Oct 28, 2020
    wowens79 wrote:
    goducks10 wrote:
    GDS-3950BH wrote:
    I don't get the 10 speed OCD discussions. I drive a different truck every day at work, all 3 US flavors and probably almost every combination at one time or another. Unless your always in Flatlands running empty/not towing and going for squeezing every last drop for fuel mileage, all those extra gears are wasted fluff. In hill country loaded or towing you'll never be up in them much if at all and it does not matter what is in front of the tranny. More gears = more heat and more parts to wear.


    Mostly agree. Regardless of gears you still need the same HP/TQ to climb a mtn or cruise the interstate.
    However an 8sp or 10 speed will have better spacing between gears and allow the vehicle to maintain speeds easier without lugging or over revving.


    Exactly, with my 4 speed GM 6.0 when it down shifts its a 1000 rpm jump. I have so many times that it would be great to have a gear in the middle.
    When I'm running on flattish interstate I've have to choose between struggling at 2000 rpm, and reving at 3000rpms, but it be great to have a gear at 2500rpm. I've pulled from ATL to the FL Keys turning 3000rpms and it did fine, but 2500rpms would be perfect.


    Considering gas engines have such a wide range of RPM between working with loads and cruising for mileage when empty, the more gears the better. When the 6-speeds came out, they mostly improved the empty cruising with 2 overdrives instead of 1. The grade pulling gears aren't really that different.

    When comparing the 6L80E to a 4L80E for example, the 6-speed adds a lower 1st gear but 2-3 are similar to what 1-2 were on the 4 speed. 4th is 15% lower than 3rd was. So practically speaking you didn't gain much in terms of useable hill climbing gears. More would definitely be nice.
  • ls1mike's avatar
    ls1mike
    Explorer II
    Oct 28, 2020
    I have test drove 2. It wasn't enough for me to get rid of my 17 3500HD gasser.

    I would wait for at least the 4.10s. It has more low end then my 6.0 but I think to use the extra power it needs 2 more gears and 4.10s and It will stay nicely planted in the powerband.

    I went from an 02 2500HD gasser to a 2017 3500HD gasser, the two extra gears make a huge difference. Both trucks have 4.10s. I notice that certain hills were I would see 4500 rpm in the 02 I barely crack 3300 in the 17. I am sure the extra power helps, but those 2 gears made a big difference.
  • wowens79's avatar
    wowens79
    Explorer III
    Oct 28, 2020
    goducks10 wrote:
    GDS-3950BH wrote:
    I don't get the 10 speed OCD discussions. I drive a different truck every day at work, all 3 US flavors and probably almost every combination at one time or another. Unless your always in Flatlands running empty/not towing and going for squeezing every last drop for fuel mileage, all those extra gears are wasted fluff. In hill country loaded or towing you'll never be up in them much if at all and it does not matter what is in front of the tranny. More gears = more heat and more parts to wear.


    Mostly agree. Regardless of gears you still need the same HP/TQ to climb a mtn or cruise the interstate.
    However an 8sp or 10 speed will have better spacing between gears and allow the vehicle to maintain speeds easier without lugging or over revving.


    Exactly, with my 4 speed GM 6.0 when it down shifts its a 1000 rpm jump. I have so many times that it would be great to have a gear in the middle.
    When I'm running on flattish interstate I've have to choose between struggling at 2000 rpm, and reving at 3000rpms, but it be great to have a gear at 2500rpm. I've pulled from ATL to the FL Keys turning 3000rpms and it did fine, but 2500rpms would be perfect.

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Sjm9911 wrote:
LITEPHIL wrote:
Looks like Ford spanked GM pretty good with truck sales. I'd bet that the 6 speed alone was one of the reasons Ford did better.

I just looked for that info, where did you get it? All 2020 info i find is from october and says gm sells a few more trucks then ford.


Gosh, I can not find where I read that. I was just bliping through some articles and I read that they had a poor 3rd quarter. Maybe untrue and I retract that if not. But I'm sure their sales of that truck would be better with the 10 speed.
Thanks for all the input.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-11-08T06:40:18.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-08T06:40:18.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":333},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365607","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365606":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365606","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365606":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3365606","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365606,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365606"},"body":"^Who cares?
GM is still s ucking hind teat in the HD gasser market for power and gears..... and I like GMs , but it’s true.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"126","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-11-06T07:36:03.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-06T07:36:03.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":334},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365606","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2612":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2612","uid":2612,"login":"Sjm9911","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2020-07-01T13:51:07.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2612"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365605":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365605","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365605":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2612"},"id":"message:3365605","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365605,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365605"},"body":"
LITEPHIL wrote:
Looks like Ford spanked GM pretty good with truck sales. I'd bet that the 6 speed alone was one of the reasons Ford did better.

I just looked for that info, where did you get it? All 2020 info i find is from october and says gm sells a few more trucks then ford.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-11-06T06:16:26.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-06T06:16:26.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":330},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365605","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365604":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365604","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365604":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:57703"},"id":"message:3365604","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365604,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365604"},"body":"Looks like Ford spanked GM pretty good with truck sales. I'd bet that the 6 speed alone was one of the reasons Ford did better.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"127","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-11-06T06:00:10.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-11-06T06:00:10.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":332},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365604","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365603":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365603","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365603":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3365603","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365603,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365603"},"body":"
ls1mike wrote:
Another thing is the 6L90E is better than the 6L80E. One extra clutch per clutch pack, it is 35MMs longer than an 80E, strengthened input and output shaft with wider gears. 2500HD and 3500HD get the 6L90E and don't suffer the problems people encounter with the 6L80E in half tons. Heat failures and torque issues due to AFM causing the torque converter to go in and out of lock up.

The 90E first gear is 4.030 vs the 80Es 2.482. That was a huge improvement. 4th gear is 1 to 1 in the 90E and the 80E is 3rd. It diffidently improved the usability of the 6.0 for towing.

I have one of each at home. The 90E is in my truck. The 80E is in my 2014 Caprice PPV (never in police service) The 80E is behind a 400RWHP/400FT/LBS of torque 6.0.


But totally apples to oranges, save for the clutches and shafts being \"stronger\".
One is built to haul trailers, the other is built to haul @ss!

But you know that already, and in a half ton, the deeper first gear isn't needed with smaller tire diameter, lower designed duty cycle for towing, lower towing \"rating\" and built more for cruising than towing...the reason everyone berates half tons here.

However, I've never had issue getting 14klbs trailer moving with my 6L80E, other than the tq converter was defective since day 1 and it would shudder getting a larger trailer moving....up until it cut loose at about 60k miles! New trans does not shudder now.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-10-28T14:28:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-28T14:28:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365603","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:78194":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:78194","uid":78194,"login":"ls1mike","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-25T23:48:24.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:78194"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365602":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365602","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365602":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:78194"},"id":"message:3365602","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365602,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365602"},"body":"Another thing is the 6L90E is better than the 6L80E. One extra clutch per clutch pack, it is 35MMs longer than an 80E, strengthened input and output shaft with wider gears. 2500HD and 3500HD get the 6L90E and don't suffer the problems people encounter with the 6L80E in half tons. Heat failures and torque converter issues due to AFM causing the torque converter to go in and out of lock up.

The 90E first gear is 4.030 vs the 80Es 2.482. That was a huge improvement. 4th gear is 1 to 1 in the 90E and the 80E is 3rd. It diffidently improved the usability of the 6.0 for towing.

I have one of each at home. The 90E is in my truck. The 80E is in my 2014 Caprice PPV (never in police service) The 80E is behind a 400RWHP/400FT/LBS of torque 6.0.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-10-28T12:38:24.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-28T12:38:24.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365602","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:135979":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:135979","uid":135979,"login":"wnjj","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-01-11T15:51:33.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:135979"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365601":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365601","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365601":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:135979"},"id":"message:3365601","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365601,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365601"},"body":"
wowens79 wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
GDS-3950BH wrote:
I don't get the 10 speed OCD discussions. I drive a different truck every day at work, all 3 US flavors and probably almost every combination at one time or another. Unless your always in Flatlands running empty/not towing and going for squeezing every last drop for fuel mileage, all those extra gears are wasted fluff. In hill country loaded or towing you'll never be up in them much if at all and it does not matter what is in front of the tranny. More gears = more heat and more parts to wear.


Mostly agree. Regardless of gears you still need the same HP/TQ to climb a mtn or cruise the interstate.
However an 8sp or 10 speed will have better spacing between gears and allow the vehicle to maintain speeds easier without lugging or over revving.


Exactly, with my 4 speed GM 6.0 when it down shifts its a 1000 rpm jump. I have so many times that it would be great to have a gear in the middle.
When I'm running on flattish interstate I've have to choose between struggling at 2000 rpm, and reving at 3000rpms, but it be great to have a gear at 2500rpm. I've pulled from ATL to the FL Keys turning 3000rpms and it did fine, but 2500rpms would be perfect.


Considering gas engines have such a wide range of RPM between working with loads and cruising for mileage when empty, the more gears the better. When the 6-speeds came out, they mostly improved the empty cruising with 2 overdrives instead of 1. The grade pulling gears aren't really that different.

When comparing the 6L80E to a 4L80E for example, the 6-speed adds a lower 1st gear but 2-3 are similar to what 1-2 were on the 4 speed. 4th is 15% lower than 3rd was. So practically speaking you didn't gain much in terms of useable hill climbing gears. More would definitely be nice.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-10-28T11:04:11.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-28T11:04:11.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365601","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365600":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365600","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365600":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:78194"},"id":"message:3365600","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365600,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365600"},"body":"I have test drove 2. It wasn't enough for me to get rid of my 17 3500HD gasser.

I would wait for at least the 4.10s. It has more low end then my 6.0 but I think to use the extra power it needs 2 more gears and 4.10s and It will stay nicely planted in the powerband.

I went from an 02 2500HD gasser to a 2017 3500HD gasser, the two extra gears make a huge difference. Both trucks have 4.10s. I notice that certain hills were I would see 4500 rpm in the 02 I barely crack 3300 in the 17. I am sure the extra power helps, but those 2 gears made a big difference.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-10-28T10:52:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-28T10:52:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":331},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3365583/message:3365600","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2972":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2972","uid":2972,"login":"wowens79","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-01-05T11:10:51.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2972"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365599":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3365599","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3365599":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2972"},"id":"message:3365599","revisionNum":1,"uid":3365599,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3365583"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3365583"},"subject":"Re: Another 6.6 gas question","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3365599"},"body":"
goducks10 wrote:
GDS-3950BH wrote:
I don't get the 10 speed OCD discussions. I drive a different truck every day at work, all 3 US flavors and probably almost every combination at one time or another. Unless your always in Flatlands running empty/not towing and going for squeezing every last drop for fuel mileage, all those extra gears are wasted fluff. In hill country loaded or towing you'll never be up in them much if at all and it does not matter what is in front of the tranny. More gears = more heat and more parts to wear.


Mostly agree. Regardless of gears you still need the same HP/TQ to climb a mtn or cruise the interstate.
However an 8sp or 10 speed will have better spacing between gears and allow the vehicle to maintain speeds easier without lugging or over revving.


Exactly, with my 4 speed GM 6.0 when it down shifts its a 1000 rpm jump. I have so many times that it would be great to have a gear in the middle.
When I'm running on flattish interstate I've have to choose between struggling at 2000 rpm, and reving at 3000rpms, but it be great to have a gear at 2500rpm. I've pulled from ATL to the FL Keys turning 3000rpms and it did fine, but 2500rpms would be 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