Thanks for the replies. We weigh 1000 pounds just in bodies alone. We are a tall family, and that 3rd row in the expy is needed. The only other vehicle that fits my boys in the back is the '15 Suburban. (About 10k more than this expy) Any 3/4 ton I've ever found has around 150k miles. As an everyday family vehicle that's too much. I like the idea of better gas mileage in the '15 but the price on this expy is several thousand off in incentives so I'm probably breaking even on savings there. I guess I could wait until this time next year for incentives on the '15 but I'm not sure i have that much patience! Lol