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TwoManyToyz
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Nov 05, 2018

Arbitrary numbers?

Hello, I'm new here. Just wanted to get your opinion on this?

https://rvlifemag.com/towing-half-ton-three-quarter-ton/

He ends the article with

"Is it worth possibly giving up independent front suspension, raising your centre of gravity and having a much heavier vehicle to stop and turn, just to satisfy an arbitrary number that does not actually matter when towing?"

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  • Towing numbers are "arbitrary" until you exceed one and have a problem. Then the manufacturer gets to walk away from the table cuzz you exceeded maximum weight. Your insurance carrier writes a check for your limit. Then its just you and your attorney. All alone and friendless with your checkbook.
  • I've read some of Andys other opinions about vehicle weights and sizes.
    This article I see he has finally grasped the fact that one can't always (in some cases) use the infamous gvwr number without exceeding the trucks rawr.

    Body lean in the two pictures isn't apples vs apples such as 2wd vs 4wd height or a different camera angle showing body lean at a different apex of steering input.

    One big fib was 1/2 tons have nearly the same brakes as a 3/4 ton. Brakes are a axle rating function at a minimum... example;
    A F250 Ford with a 6k fawr and a 6340 rawr = 12340 lbs of braking performance

    A F150HD Ford has the heaviest specs with a 3750 fawr and 4800 rawr = 8550 lbs of braking performance.

    Lots this guy simply doesn't know but he has a opinion like we all do.
  • Andy is well known for undersizing tow vehicles and advocating such set ups (like a 33' airstream behind a Dodge Charger sedan). Not my idea of safe but....

    His opinions in the linked article are pretty standard for him.

    While his odd ball combos might be fine for 70% of towing, it's the other 30% of the time that can cause disaster. I'll give an example. The GCWR of a Charger sedan is much lower than what's needed to tow a large airstream RV. Now put that combo up a steep mountain grade in 100* temps. That's where it's going to show up as a mismatch. The frontal area of the car is small, which reduces it's cooling ability, and transmission cooling system and clutch material durability, and so on. The right tool for the job is important when you face extreme conditions.
  • Another first post Can-Am RV plug? There was one yesterday on another forum.
  • TwoManyToyz wrote:
    Hello, I'm new here. Just wanted to get your opinion on this?


    My opinion, a waste of time reading it.