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- And Ram is doing it with 20% fewer cylinders. What would it be like if Cummins was a V8?
- Ford, GM, Ram all make trucks that will pull heavy loads. Some will get to their destination a few seconds quicker than the other, but honestly, who races up hill's, with their RV in tow. I look for the most reliable and time proven engine. Thus i think that the Cummins engine fits my needs. Even Ford uses the Cummins engines in their larger trucks. So it must not be that bad.
- Yup, that's a Ford conducted test of which they only let you see what they wanted you to see. What else would you expect as Ford has done this very same BS comparisons almost evey year for eons. However, wait until the various independent comparison tests are conducted and the results have always been very very different! Ford controls how each vehicle was operated and you can bet they made sure the results were in their favor as they always have but it's always been short lived as the truth does come out! Many decades of history is already in the bank and the books!
- Truth is in the details...
Ford was running a 4.30 rear, GM was running a 3.73.
Mike Rowe was narrating. Doesn't he work for Ford...
Who conducted this test...Ford or independent? travelnutz wrote:
Yup, that's a Ford conducted test of which they only let you see what they wanted you to see. What else would you expect as Ford has done this very same BS comparisons almost evey year for eons. However, wait until the various independent comparison tests are conducted and the results have always been very very different! Ford controls how each vehicle was operated and you can bet they made sure the results were in their favor as they always have but it's always been short lived as the truth does come out! Many decades of history is already in the bank and the books!
All makers do the exact same thing, to believe anything else is silly. There are no true independant tests. Even the car/truck mags have an agenda and their tests are "sponsored" by someone. I just buy what works for me. This schoolyard "my truck is better" stuff really gets old.travelnutz wrote:
Yup, that's a Ford conducted test of which they only let you see what they wanted you to see. What else would you expect as Ford has done this very same BS comparisons almost evey year for eons. However, wait until the various independent comparison tests are conducted and the results have always been very very different! Ford controls how each vehicle was operated and you can bet they made sure the results were in their favor as they always have but it's always been short lived as the truth does come out! Many decades of history is already in the bank and the books!
Each manufacture uses the same marketing strategy showing they are King Of The Hill. You wouldn't sell trucks if you didn't.
Most independent comparisons have shown GM, Ford, and Ram on their test.- Hello all. This was a Ford conducted test with the most capable trucks available from GM and Ram. GM was a 3.73 because that's the shortest axle available. If they had a 4.10 or 4.30, we would have tested that.
It's possible for an axle to have a difference in a short sprint but both tests in this video were multi-mile pulls.
I'll highlight that when I was a journalist, the 4.30 didn't help the F-450 against the Sierra Denali 3500 with a 3.73 in a similar test in Colorado.
- Mike mpfireman wrote:
Ford, GM, Ram all make trucks that will pull heavy loads. Some will get to their destination a few seconds quicker than the other, but honestly, who races up hill's, with their RV in tow. I look for the most reliable and time proven engine. Thus i think that the Cummins engine fits my needs. Even Ford uses the Cummins engines in their larger trucks. So it must not be that bad.
In fact Ford uses...I believe...a version of the Cummins B series 6 cylinder diesel in their largest truck, the medium duty F 650.
The Cummins B series 6 cylinder diesel is the same family of diesels, just another version that is used in the Dodge pickup.
I've often wondered why Ford never used a version of their own power stroke diesel in their medium duty F 650.
GM, before they shut down their medium duty line of trucks, the 4500/5500 series.... used a version of the Duramax diesel, which of course is also used in the GM pickup line.
I'm not a brand loyalist. My view is that Ford, GM and Dodge pickups are all vehicles that you could not go wrong with...they're all good, IMO.- Gee whiz, Ford won. Imagine that in a Ford commercial no less. Can't wait for the Ram commercial when the Ram wins. But then there will be the GM commercial where the GM wins. Does that mean they're all winners?
Lessmore wrote:
In fact Ford uses...I believe...a version of the Cummins B series 6 cylinder diesel in their largest truck, the medium duty F 650.
The Cummins B series 6 cylinder diesel is the same family of diesels, just another version that is used in the Dodge pickup.
I've often wondered why Ford never used a version of their own power stroke diesel in their medium duty F 650.
GM, before they shut down their medium duty line of trucks, the 4500/5500 series.... used a version of the Duramax diesel, which of course is also used in the GM pickup line.
Good questions, since until recently the Powerstroke was International-sourced, and IHC used those engines in trucks comparable in size to the F650/750, as well as school bus applications.
As far as GM, the 4500/5500 were in the same GVWR class as the Ford F450/550, which did use the pickup truck drivetrains. The Kodiak 6500/7500 did not use the V8 Duramax, although some versions did use the 8.1 gas engine.
