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- If you think those trucks were working hard, try driving farm grain trucks from 50+ years ago with full loads of grain. Dodge slant 6 and Sudebaker 365cid flat heads with straight cut gears. Job done and did not break them. Love my 325hp CTD I-6. JME.
4x4ord wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
What if I take a corner too fast and hit a tree??
If you go around a corner too fast the blasted computer takes over and applies braking to individual wheels to keep the truck from drifting ... it can be annoying. Putting your foot to the floor pulling a trailer up a hill is not going to cause your truck to self destruct. Maybe if you really wanted to wreck it you might be able to drain the oil out and try driving it up the hill. My guess is that without oil pressure it would shut down before doing any damage though. My point really is that these trucks are built to work and they don't need to be babied.
I helped design, test and manufacture ABS/ESC systems, it's what my company does, along with calipers and other automotive/truck systems...just because it's activated, doesn't mean it'll keep you "in the road" and be able to completely compensate for one speeding, especially with 20,000# behind them, and 40' ft of 5er...(even with brakes on the trailer).
Never said anything about babying them...I talked about "going out of one's way to ABUSE them"...HUGE difference...I use a truck to do what it's 'recommended to do", right, wrong or indifferent.....I don't overload them, I don't speed with them when towing, I'm not in a race to get anywhere, empty or towing and I try to practice safety when on the road...now a day's, "defensive driving really is just that....watching out for the other guy"...
again, HUGE difference between abuse, overloading, speeding and just the opposite. Me, I'm in the middle...I try to make my truck last as long as possible and run it empty or towing using common sense and safety in mind as well as staying within guide lines of recommended use of my vehicle...Safety features? Yeah they work, gages, computers, yeah they work, but they can only do so much to compensate for human error
if they were all as good as you seem to think they are, I don't think we'd ever see a wreck on the highway's....all the safety features built into the vehicles wouldn't allow it...and we know better than that.......RedRocket204 wrote:
RamTC wrote:
Anyone really buy a pickup based on these videos? I'd like to see all three driven off a cliff, Ford will beat the other two to the bottom, Ford wins again!
Are you saying the Ford has better aerodynamics? Cause if you aren't, you don't do physics very well do you?
All these pages and in my opinion RedRocket hass the best reply here. I wonder if it went over everyone's heads?
Sarc on...everyone knows a 16 pound bowling ball falls 4 times faster than a 4 pound brick...OK...Sarc off.
Also using RAMTC's logic...The Ram will get down the other side of the hill faster too. So the whole test is really just a wash. All three complete the up and down route equally as fast. But nobody ever reports on that. What's up wid dat?
Keep up the good work. This thread is getting funner by the day.NC Hauler wrote:
What if I take a corner too fast and hit a tree??
If you go around a corner too fast the blasted computer takes over and applies braking to individual wheels to keep the truck from drifting ... it can be annoying. Putting your foot to the floor pulling a trailer up a hill is not going to cause your truck to self destruct. Maybe if you really wanted to wreck it you might be able to drain the oil out and try driving it up the hill. My guess is that without oil pressure it would shut down before doing any damage though. My point really is that these trucks are built to work and they don't need to be babied.- Reverse psychology Don:B
NC Hauler wrote:
Fordlover wrote:
fla-gypsy wrote:
travelnutz wrote:
Yup, that's a Ford conducted test of which they only let you see what they wanted you to see. What else would you expect as Ford has done this very same BS comparisons almost evey year for eons. However, wait until the various independent comparison tests are conducted and the results have always been very very different! Ford controls how each vehicle was operated and you can bet they made sure the results were in their favor as they always have but it's always been short lived as the truth does come out! Many decades of history is already in the bank and the books!
All makers do the exact same thing, to believe anything else is silly. There are no true independant tests. Even the car/truck mags have an agenda and their tests are "sponsored" by someone. I just buy what works for me. This schoolyard "my truck is better" stuff really gets old.
What? You mean GM and Dodge don't run tests/Ads highlighting the weaknesses of their own truck compared to their competition? :B
You mean Ford does runs tests/Ads highlighting the weaknesses of their own truck compared to their competition? :)
Yes Ford does, the fact that they had to use a truck that will not be in production for a full year shows their current trucks are unable to beat the competition.
Here's your tell in vehicle ads, if they are not comparing their truck against the competitors in EVERY test they were unable to bet that vehicle. It's that simple.
Still waiting to hear from Mike when a REAL side by side test of the current model year trucks will be done.
Don- I see what you guys see and weakness is not what I see. We just did a 1700 mile trip and we didn't have any weakness with 310 HP and 605 ft lbs of torque.
chevman Fordlover wrote:
fla-gypsy wrote:
travelnutz wrote:
Yup, that's a Ford conducted test of which they only let you see what they wanted you to see. What else would you expect as Ford has done this very same BS comparisons almost evey year for eons. However, wait until the various independent comparison tests are conducted and the results have always been very very different! Ford controls how each vehicle was operated and you can bet they made sure the results were in their favor as they always have but it's always been short lived as the truth does come out! Many decades of history is already in the bank and the books!
All makers do the exact same thing, to believe anything else is silly. There are no true independant tests. Even the car/truck mags have an agenda and their tests are "sponsored" by someone. I just buy what works for me. This schoolyard "my truck is better" stuff really gets old.
What? You mean GM and Dodge don't run tests/Ads highlighting the weaknesses of their own truck compared to their competition? :B
You mean Ford does runs tests/Ads highlighting the weaknesses of their own truck compared to their competition? :)fla-gypsy wrote:
travelnutz wrote:
Yup, that's a Ford conducted test of which they only let you see what they wanted you to see. What else would you expect as Ford has done this very same BS comparisons almost evey year for eons. However, wait until the various independent comparison tests are conducted and the results have always been very very different! Ford controls how each vehicle was operated and you can bet they made sure the results were in their favor as they always have but it's always been short lived as the truth does come out! Many decades of history is already in the bank and the books!
All makers do the exact same thing, to believe anything else is silly. There are no true independant tests. Even the car/truck mags have an agenda and their tests are "sponsored" by someone. I just buy what works for me. This schoolyard "my truck is better" stuff really gets old.
What? You mean GM and Dodge don't run tests/Ads highlighting the weaknesses of their own truck compared to their competition? :BHannibal wrote:
Any truck that can't pull a grade WOT without overheating anything needs to go back to the drawing board. Every truck I've owned over the past 25 years has seen extended WOT without any ill affects. Way back in '84, my Isuzu P'up diesel saw high rpm WOT from Virginia to Sarasota towing a box U-Haul trailer. Not even a hint of trouble. Your fear of using a truck's full potential isn't an engine weakness. Those trucks are fine. If not, they're flawed.
Driving with the diesel pedal to the floor a lot more than gas power vehicles is one of the first things a new diesel vehicle owner has to get use to.
Years ago I drove a 350 Detroit 8V71 with a 13 speed road ranger tranny. It was against the governor at 2100, drop to 1800 and you down shifted down a gear and back against the governor.
With my 2001.5 Dodge/Cummins on hills like and including the Davis Dam hill(which I have pulled a couple times), I have to come out of overdrive, at which point it is as much pedal needed to maintain the engine in or above the torque sweet spot, which is 2000-2200. 2500-2600 and near or on the floor is common for me on such hills. It is using the truck and engine as intended. So I pull such hills at 45 to 55 MPH depending on how I feel at the time and schedule of how many miles I am trying to make that day. Running above that sweet spot uses a little more fuel, but I average 12.2-12.5 on long trips, so running up a 7 mile hill fast does not effect a 1700 trip that much.
In the West if I am trying to do a 400-500 mile down, then I try to keep it in my 62-63 mph comfort zone as much as possible.
Chris
