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Hannibal wrote:
The Mad Norsky wrote:
Hannibal wrote:
I don't care about who's fastest up the grade either. Obviously! However, what the test did show is that all three ran balls out towing 20k lbs up the grade with no failures or hiccups. That is the criteria I'm interested in. All three proved very capable.
BUT, (a big one :B ) here's my point. I personally would hope that I never end up with any of those trucks used in the commercial.
They've been abused, albeit possibly short term, but abused nevertheless.
Its always been mentioned on here, when giving advice for folks doing some towing over, say I-70 west of Denver, to NOT try and be fastest up the hill because one does NOT want their EGT's to go too high, or over 1200 degrees I believe.
Can one imagine what the EGT's were on those three vehicles???? Turbo boosting to the max and running flat out as hard as they could go?????
They had to be getting very, I mean VERY very warm.
EGT = exhaust gas temperature.
Any truck that can't pull a grade WOT without overheating anything needs to go back to the drawing board. Every truck I've owned over the past 25 years has seen extended WOT without any ill affects. Way back in '84, my Isuzu P'up diesel saw high rpm WOT from Virginia to Sarasota towing a box U-Haul trailer. Not even a hint of trouble. Your fear of using a truck's full potential isn't an engine weakness. Those trucks are fine. If not, they're flawed.
Agree with you with what you say, I too, "back in the day", towed pop-up's and even travel trailers with cars/trucks that shouldn't have been towing them in the mountains of WV, TN and VA and never had an issue...
In your one example, you are correct, but answer me this, if you're towing up the side of a mountain at 60 mph, let's say that's the speed limit and the truck starts slowing down, normal, I would think if towing heavy....and you drop to a lower gear to maintain speed, and you still are dropping a little in speed and the cooling fan has now kicked in, are YOU, going to drop it in even a lower gear, which the truck will let you do, taching at a higher rpm , just to "get back up to 60 mph if you're only running 40-45? At that point, though, this could be "normal" due to the amount of weight you're towing, and the grade and the distance of this grade....do you "push" the truck to it's limits to get to the top of that mountain at the speed limit, or do what you know your truck can do??? After all, pushing it, whether one thinks it ought to maintain the same speed up a 7% grade for a 7 to 10 mile run, while towing, common sense would tell one that would be normal to lose some speed going up that grade for that distance and not think to push it because the truck should be able to do it..
I'm towing a little over 16,000# and tow several grades that run for 7 to 10 miles at 6 and 7% grades, (on some secondary roads, steeper and "curvier")...I slow down some, I let the truck downshift to maintain speed, but I know I'm going to slow down, I expect it...it did it with the Chevy and the Dodge/Ram....I mean this is normal...I don't make the truck "scream" or push it to it's limit to still be running 60 mph by the top I get to the top of the mountain...again, some common sense has to be used sometime...the truck is a machine, designed and built by humans who programmed the robots and computers..it's a human being behind the wheel....though we may think the truck should be able to do some things, the "final" decision is still in the hands of the driver...simply by ignoring messages and gages that you'll be looking at displayed on your truck when towing.Sport45 wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
USAF 71-75 Nam Vet
Thank you for serving, sir.
My dad was AAC in WWII Pacific theater. Stayed in the USAF reserves until he retired in '68 or so. Still has stories that I'm sure will never be heard.
I have a huge amount of respect for today's military personnel...but the men and women who fought in WWII, I respect them to the nth degree....words can't express how much I admire and respect them...and you're right, most who have been in war, don't talk about all they went through.......
thank you...4x4ord wrote:
The Mad Norsky wrote:
Hannibal wrote:
I don't care about who's fastest up the grade either. Obviously! However, what the test did show is that all three ran balls out towing 20k lbs up the grade with no failures or hiccups. That is the criteria I'm interested in. All three proved very capable.
BUT, (a big one :B ) here's my point. I personally would hope that I never end up with any of those trucks used in the commercial.
They've been abused, albeit possibly short term, but abused nevertheless.
Its always been mentioned on here, when giving advice for folks doing some towing over, say I-70 west of Denver, to NOT try and be fastest up the hill because one does NOT want their EGT's to go too high, or over 1200 degrees I believe.
Can one imagine what the EGT's were on those three vehicles???? Turbo boosting to the max and running flat out as hard as they could go?????
They had to be getting very, I mean VERY very warm.
EGT = exhaust gas temperature.
My truck would feel pampered if towing a 20 k trailer up a nice smooth grade was the toughest thing it ever saw. Using a tuck for its designed purpose is far from abuse in my books. With all the sensors and computers on these trucks now I would imagine it is next to impossible to abuse them. I was heading down the highway at 60 mph with my Ford when I realized I was going to need a hitch in my receiver. I was confident enough in the truck's software that I threw the gear shift into reverse to get the back up camera to come on....yep the hitch is installed and yep the truck is idiot proof.
Nevertheless, with ALL the computers, sensors, etc....it's a human being that is behind the wheel....You really don't think that one could not abuse a truck, even with all the sensors, safety measures etc??? What if I take a corner too fast and hit a tree?? None of those sensors compensated for one speeding, racing to the top of a mountain, yeah a temp gage may go up, yeah a light might come on, BUT, if one chooses to ignore some of these, something could malfunction, at the very least, go into "limp mode"... etc...These trucks AREN'T idiot proof, no matter what you think, especially if an idiot is driving it:)..Common sense, though a very rare commodity today helps a lot when hooking up and towing a 20,000# trailer that may be 40' or longer, especially when towing with family and around others....I've seen a few wrecks, I've seen trucks broken down while towing, and a lot of these were newer trucks..what happened to all the "safety gadget's", sensors, computer and on with those trucks?
Again, even with all the sensors, computer safety features, back up sensors, back up cameras and all...one can still have a wreck and one can STILL abuse their truck..oh, I also guess we've NEVER seen ANY of these computers, "malfunction"....yeah, well it only takes a little research to find that some of these may not be as reliable as one might think....or HOPE.....I will err to the side of common sense and safety and not go out of my way to endanger my family or others around me and not abuse my truck...heck, I'll pamper mine, I need it to last..don't have time to drop it off at the dealer to have it looked at or worked on because pushed it to it's limits, thinking that the trucks 'safety features" won't allow me to abuse it.......yeah, right.......NC Hauler wrote:
USAF 71-75 Nam Vet
Thank you for serving, sir.
My dad was AAC in WWII Pacific theater. Stayed in the USAF reserves until he retired in '68 or so. Still has stories that I'm sure will never be heard.The Mad Norsky wrote:
Hannibal wrote:
I don't care about who's fastest up the grade either. Obviously! However, what the test did show is that all three ran balls out towing 20k lbs up the grade with no failures or hiccups. That is the criteria I'm interested in. All three proved very capable.
BUT, (a big one :B ) here's my point. I personally would hope that I never end up with any of those trucks used in the commercial.
They've been abused, albeit possibly short term, but abused nevertheless.
Its always been mentioned on here, when giving advice for folks doing some towing over, say I-70 west of Denver, to NOT try and be fastest up the hill because one does NOT want their EGT's to go too high, or over 1200 degrees I believe.
Can one imagine what the EGT's were on those three vehicles???? Turbo boosting to the max and running flat out as hard as they could go?????
They had to be getting very, I mean VERY very warm.
EGT = exhaust gas temperature.
Any truck that can't pull a grade WOT without overheating anything needs to go back to the drawing board. Every truck I've owned over the past 25 years has seen extended WOT without any ill affects. Way back in '84, my Isuzu P'up diesel saw high rpm WOT from Virginia to Sarasota towing a box U-Haul trailer. Not even a hint of trouble. Your fear of using a truck's full potential isn't an engine weakness. Those trucks are fine. If not, they're flawed.- I agree. I think it's silly to think making it to the top of a hill faster makes a truck better.
I'd rather enjoy the ride.
If you want a true test of engines put them in the same truck. If you want a true test of trucks set them up with whatever they offer as best for what you want to test.
This was just a commercial, nothing more. Sport45 wrote:
It's funny that in the diesel vs gas threads its all about who can get to the top of the hill fastest.
But when its diesel vs diesel that doesn't matter and the trucks are being abused.
Maybe we need a commercial where the truck is climbing a hill of broken concrete or something with one competitor loaded up on the bed while pulling the other one. ;)
:h
No, gas versus diesel, versus propane versus whatever you want to "fill 'er up" with doesn't matter.....IF it's "ALL" about who can get to the top of the hill fastest".......that's childish and dangerous, even more so if it's a steep,, curvy "hill/mountain"...THEN it's REALLY ridiculous...I don't care if it's diesel or gas...I've seen the diesel/gas threads....but mostly it was about longevity and mpg, not as much about getting to the top of a mountain fast....then again, that's not what this thread is about.
I would have thought, though I guess this is really stupid....that TO BE A TRUE TEST, one would have taken like trucks, all 2013s "like" models and done the test THAT way...but I guess THAT would have been ridiculous?:S..BUT, one thing I've never done is pushed my truck hard...at least, NOT INTENTIONALLY..don't know of too many in here who would go OUT OF THEIR WAY to do so,,,,as expensive as these trucks are, I'm sure most would take care of them AND, while towing with family, tend to try to be "safe"....after all, that TOO is a part of the towing equation...at least it is in mine...Safety first and take care of and try not to abuse a truck that cost a lot of money...The Mad Norsky wrote:
Hannibal wrote:
I don't care about who's fastest up the grade either. Obviously! However, what the test did show is that all three ran balls out towing 20k lbs up the grade with no failures or hiccups. That is the criteria I'm interested in. All three proved very capable.
BUT, (a big one :B ) here's my point. I personally would hope that I never end up with any of those trucks used in the commercial.
They've been abused, albeit possibly short term, but abused nevertheless.
Its always been mentioned on here, when giving advice for folks doing some towing over, say I-70 west of Denver, to NOT try and be fastest up the hill because one does NOT want their EGT's to go too high, or over 1200 degrees I believe.
Can one imagine what the EGT's were on those three vehicles???? Turbo boosting to the max and running flat out as hard as they could go?????
They had to be getting very, I mean VERY very warm.
EGT = exhaust gas temperature.
My truck would feel pampered if towing a 20 k trailer up a nice smooth grade was the toughest thing it ever saw. Using a tuck for its designed purpose is far from abuse in my books. With all the sensors and computers on these trucks now I would imagine it is next to impossible to abuse them. I was heading down the highway at 60 mph with my Ford when I realized I was going to need a hitch in my receiver. I was confident enough in the truck's software that I threw the gear shift into reverse to get the back up camera to come on....yep the hitch is installed and yep the truck is idiot proof.- I would be absolutely thrilled to own any one of the BIG 3, current model year.
I thought my '06 Duramax was a beast: It wouldn't stand a chance against any of the current crop.
I'm really glad to see American Iron, of whatever brand, King of the Hill. - It's funny that in the diesel vs gas threads its all about who can get to the top of the hill fastest.
But when its diesel vs diesel that doesn't matter and the trucks are being abused.
Maybe we need a commercial where the truck is climbing a hill of broken concrete or something with one competitor loaded up on the bed while pulling the other one. ;)
