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Jan 17, 2016

Calling All Spark Plug Experts, Opinions on these pics.

Seemed like not too long ago I changed the plugs in the burb. Got an 02 Grand Prix GTP as a daily driver so the truck sits during the week now.

Took it out the other day and it ran terrible, then the check engine light came on. A scan indicated misfire in #6, and also #5 to a lesser extent, so plugs and wires seemed the place to start. Truck has 170k on it now, my records show that plugs and wires were last changed in Jan of 2013 at 140k miles, so almost exactly 3 yrs and 30k miles on the plugs. Here are some pics and bear in mind that these plugs are OEM iridium and are supposed be good for 75k miles.

Truck here is a 2001, engine is the 8.1L big block.





A little disturbing to see pieces of insulator material flaked off of #1 plug. Hopefully they went out the exhaust valve without causing too much damage.



Also #4 plug is really clogged up with some kind of white stuff, not sure what that is....

NOTE that there was NO OIL on any of the plugs, the look dark in the pic due to the camera angle.





So these are the OEM spec 41-983 plugs gapped at factory spec .060. I have read some places on the net of using a cooler plug like a 41-993 gapped at .045, but others have reported issues with that.

All comments welcome.

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pics.","id":"message:2026024","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":56,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:345793"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2026024"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026024"},"body":"Seemed like not too long ago I changed the plugs in the burb. Got an 02 Grand Prix GTP as a daily driver so the truck sits during the week now.

Took it out the other day and it ran terrible, then the check engine light came on. A scan indicated misfire in #6, and also #5 to a lesser extent, so plugs and wires seemed the place to start. Truck has 170k on it now, my records show that plugs and wires were last changed in Jan of 2013 at 140k miles, so almost exactly 3 yrs and 30k miles on the plugs. Here are some pics and bear in mind that these plugs are OEM iridium and are supposed be good for 75k miles.

Truck here is a 2001, engine is the 8.1L big block.





A little disturbing to see pieces of insulator material flaked off of #1 plug. Hopefully they went out the exhaust valve without causing too much damage.



Also #4 plug is really clogged up with some kind of white stuff, not sure what that is....

NOTE that there was NO OIL on any of the plugs, the look dark in the pic due to the camera angle.





So these are the OEM spec 41-983 plugs gapped at factory spec .060. I have read some places on the net of using a cooler plug like a 41-993 gapped at .045, but others have reported issues with that.

All comments welcome.","body@stringLength":"2007","rawBody":"Seemed like not too long ago I changed the plugs in the burb. Got an 02 Grand Prix GTP as a daily driver so the truck sits during the week now.

Took it out the other day and it ran terrible, then the check engine light came on. A scan indicated misfire in #6, and also #5 to a lesser extent, so plugs and wires seemed the place to start. Truck has 170k on it now, my records show that plugs and wires were last changed in Jan of 2013 at 140k miles, so almost exactly 3 yrs and 30k miles on the plugs. Here are some pics and bear in mind that these plugs are OEM iridium and are supposed be good for 75k miles.

Truck here is a 2001, engine is the 8.1L big block.





A little disturbing to see pieces of insulator material flaked off of #1 plug. Hopefully they went out the exhaust valve without causing too much damage.



Also #4 plug is really clogged up with some kind of white stuff, not sure what that is....

NOTE that there was NO OIL on any of the plugs, the look dark in the pic due to the camera angle.





So these are the OEM spec 41-983 plugs gapped at factory spec .060. I have read some places on the net of using a cooler plug like a 41-993 gapped at .045, but others have reported issues with that.

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Too much oil is getting into the combustion chamber.

If you can find an expert you might be able to pinpoint the issue and get another 100,000 miles on the rest but I think you could be looking for a new motor soon. If it is anything more than the PCV system, intake manifold or stem seals... I would be ordering a new long block or trading the vehicle. Too many miles to get value out of a valve job.

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minnow wrote:
Found this also about the 8.1 internal PCV valve:

Intake Manifold:
The intake manifold is a one-piece design. The intake
manifold is made of cast aluminum. The throttle body
is attached to the front of the intake manifold. A linear
exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) port is cast into the
manifold for exhaust gas recirculation mixture. The
EGR valve bolts onto the rear of the intake manifold.
The fuel rail assembly with eight separate fuel
injectors is retained to the intake manifold by four
studs. The fuel injectors are seated in their individual
manifold bores with O-ring seals to provide sealing. A
Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor is mounted
on the top of the intake manifold and sealed by an

O-ring seal. The MAP sensor is held in place with a
retainer bolt. The evaporative emission canister
solenoid is located in the front of the intake manifold.
The positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system is
internally cast into the intake manifold. There is not a
PCV valve. A splash shield is installed under the
intake manifold. The shield prevents hot oil from
contacting the bottom of the intake manifold, maintaining
air inlet charge density.


The L18 has an internal positive crankcase
ventilation (PCV) system, and does not
utilize a PCV valve.


OK. Now I believe there may not be a valve per se. By that, I mean a serviceable \"two speed\" bobbit valve. There may be just an unsophisticated fixed port size that is supposed to handle both high throttle blow-by conditions, as well as the former \"restricted oriface\" for idle conditions.

Still not knowing any more than this, I'm not too impressed by this OEM engineering. And having had my fill of hokey aftermarket hotrod \"fixes\", I normally attach far more respect to OEM engineering than aftermarket IQ. As it stands, it seems whatever vacuum port size GM chose may become plugged and impossible to service, but that is probably not the case here. The flaw, if any, is probably a case of too much oil going through an over-sized oriface (fixed?) for whatever reason. In keeping with past practice, if the port is large enough for hard throttle, it strikes me as too large for idle.

In this case I might seriously consider adding an external PCV bobbit valve off an older engine. There is one other reason this might help and that is because even the standard PCV valve size often appears inadequate when aging engine wear dictates a serious blow-by increase. I suppose the old valve covers will not fit, but one could theoretically \"bolt on\" another port to keep up with suitable evacuation of the crankcase. I believe some fixes for DI turbo'd engines have done this, because the excess-blow-by problem is largely the same... an overwhelmed venting system. Some DI/Turbo'd fixes have involved an oil catch can (Something Turtle should be familiar with in his racing career/hobby) to extract oil from vapor going to the intake.

I suppose there is a bit of truth to the claim that big blocks use* more oil, but I don't think Ford's 460 cubic inch V8 suffers quite as much from excess oil use. Logically, oil use should be directly proportionate to engine size, so some increase is expected of big blocks. The 8.1L seems to be notorious for oil consumption (and leaks), and I suspect the revised OEM venting system is to blame. I still wonder why GM changed it.

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* I am a former railroader. Our locomotives constituted a very large big block. I have no idea how much oil they burned, nor exactly how the crankcase vent system worked. I do know that the engines were equipped with crankcase over-pressure safety controls. A broken piston would cause the engine to shut down and require a reset, but we were asked not to do this so that it could be done later by qualified roundhouse personel. The crankcases held about 300 gallons of oil and it took 50 gallons to bring the dipstick from add up to full. The dipstick was therefore a poor measure of oil used by the measly quart. The level was always checked with the engine idling, and I think the most any crew ever dumped in (as an operating crew away from a service bay) was 5 gallons. The oil weight was so thick, it was jokingly said by machinists that one could rest their flashlight on it's surface on a cold, dead engine. There were extreme oil change intervals (years) between changes and the oil is reused indefinately after recycling.

Wes
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This system works by \"essentially\" making a controlled vacuum leak into the intake system from the block. Really a pretty cool design.

One more time: Big blocks BURN OIL! For a bunch of reasons I don't want to get into here but one of the biggest is guide head design and the short piston skirt design they have on the 8.1.

There is nothing wrong with the OP engine!!! How can I say this with such confidence?

BEACUSE:One more time: Chevy won't do anything under warrantee unless it burns over 1qt to 500 miles. Again, this is with a brand new engine!

I don't even really want to post this thread but I will for INFO PURPOSES ONLY!!!

Please don't tell the OP that he has a intake leak like the TSB talks about and jump on that deal. Why? See above!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-23T11:43:32.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-23T11:43:32.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2026024/message:2026077","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:237915":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:237915","uid":237915,"login":"BenK","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-04-18T11:36:55.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:237915"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026076":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2026076","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2026076":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:237915"},"id":"message:2026076","revisionNum":1,"uid":2026076,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2026024"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2026024"},"subject":"Re: Calling All Spark Plug Experts, Opinions on these pics.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026076"},"body":"Fred...you've got it spot on and reminds me of: Been there done that
back at my old Suburban forum...this has been hashed outand
these links to the most germane to this thread here...

2004, 8.1L (long)


Too bad the links of this one no longer works for me...as it shows the exposed valley
and the solution was a sheetmetal cover over the valley
Pics of 8.1L internals

oil leak

Don's 8.1L has a tiny leak in the manifold system somewhere","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-23T09:12:49.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-23T09:12:49.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2026024/message:2026076","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:8206":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:8206","uid":8206,"login":"minnow","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-08-30T19:25:30.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:8206"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026075":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2026075","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2026075":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:8206"},"id":"message:2026075","revisionNum":1,"uid":2026075,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2026024"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2026024"},"subject":"Re: Calling All Spark Plug Experts, Opinions on these pics.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026075"},"body":"Found this also about the 8.1 internal PCV valve:

Intake Manifold:
The intake manifold is a one-piece design. The intake
manifold is made of cast aluminum. The throttle body
is attached to the front of the intake manifold. A linear
exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) port is cast into the
manifold for exhaust gas recirculation mixture. The
EGR valve bolts onto the rear of the intake manifold.
The fuel rail assembly with eight separate fuel
injectors is retained to the intake manifold by four
studs. The fuel injectors are seated in their individual
manifold bores with O-ring seals to provide sealing. A
Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor is mounted
on the top of the intake manifold and sealed by an

O-ring seal. The MAP sensor is held in place with a
retainer bolt. The evaporative emission canister
solenoid is located in the front of the intake manifold.
The positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system is
internally cast into the intake manifold. There is not a
PCV valve. A splash shield is installed under the
intake manifold. The shield prevents hot oil from
contacting the bottom of the intake manifold, maintaining
air inlet charge density.


The L18 has an internal positive crankcase
ventilation (PCV) system, and does not
utilize a PCV valve.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-23T07:56:47.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-23T07:56:47.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2026024/message:2026075","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026074":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2026074","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2026074":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:88040"},"id":"message:2026074","revisionNum":1,"uid":2026074,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2026024"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2026024"},"subject":"Re: Calling All Spark Plug Experts, Opinions on these pics.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026074"},"body":"...

Turtle n Peeps wrote:


That's all well and good except the 8.1 (the OP's engine) does not have a PCV valve. :S

Turtle,

Yeah. It often appears that may be so. Yet the older standard 454 PCV system is described in my Helms 1974 GM truck manual. Why would GM remove it? One of the benefits of PCV systems is that they help prevent gasket leaks by equalizing pressure between atmospheric and internal engine crankcase pressure. A faulty standard PVC results in not only excess oil consumption, but the pressure build-up encourages oil leaks as well. So how has this valuable device seemingly been eliminated?

Sport45 wrote:
How does the 8.1 deal with crankcase vapors? I can't imagine it has an old-school vent on the oil fill cap.

My old Fords must not have had that fancy \"best design\" PCV system. Or maybe they were run way past their intended service life. I can remember pouring oil out of the air filter housing when the PCV valve stuck shut and the crankcase ventilation stopped. Back then the breather hose from the oil fill cap just ran to a small fiber air filter pinned to the side of the breather.


I wondered too, what do we propose is done with blowby pressure created in the crankcase in this year 2001 3/4 ton truck? Are non EPA regulated trucks still dumping exhaust, oil vapor and unburned fuel into the atmosphere and on the ground? Curious minds want to know. ;)

I finally found a hint online in this pdf. This states in part:

\"The Vortec 8.1L is the debut of a new, highly-refined big block V8. Introduced
in Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra heavy-duty pickups and Medium Duty trucks, the Vortec 8.1L is the
legendary GM big block for a new millennium, with 33 percent increase in expected useful life, and horsepower &
torque that surpass the competition. The following aspects are new or have been changed: a revised engine
block; new pistons with 5-millimeter top land; improved firing order; internally balanced crankshaft;
replicated-port cylinder heads; low-noise & high-durability valve train; cast stainless steel exhaust manifolds;
internal positive crankcase ventilation (PCV); modified sequential port fuel injection; electronic throttle control;
coil-near-plug ignition; more durable water pump; improved cooling system with coolant loss protection;
serpentine belt drive; oil-life monitor; oil-level sensors; raised rocker-cover rails; thermoplastic sight shield; cast
aluminum oil pan; improved seals; and all metric fasteners. Before the Vortec 8.1L, Electronic Throttle Control
(ETC) was largely reserved for premium passenger car engines. Because there is no mechanical link between the
accelerator pedal and the throttle, a potentiometer at the pedal measures pedal angle and sends a signal to the
Powertrain Control Module (PCM), which then directs an electric motor to open the throttle appropriately.\"


So I don't know where the PCV is on the OP's engine. But if it malfunctions as do all the external ones eventually do, or is absent altogether, the engine as it wears, should logically develop leaks and a thirst for oil consumption as I described.

Wes
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I do not know for sure if late models have one. Just a guess!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"141","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-23T05:21:52.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-23T05:21:52.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2026024/message:2026073","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:375251":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:375251","uid":375251,"login":"Sport45","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-09-24T12:08:19.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:375251"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026072":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2026072","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2026072":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:375251"},"id":"message:2026072","revisionNum":1,"uid":2026072,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2026024"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2026024"},"subject":"Re: Calling All Spark Plug Experts, Opinions on these pics.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026072"},"body":"How does the 8.1 deal with crankcase vapors? I can't imagine it has an old-school vent on the oil fill cap.

My old Fords must not have had that fancy \"best design\" PCV system. Or maybe they were run way past their intended service life. I can remember pouring oil out of the air filter housing when the PCV valve stuck shut and the crankcase ventilation stopped. Back then the breather hose from the oil fill cap just ran to a small fiber air filter pinned to the side of the breather.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-23T03:59:46.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-23T03:59:46.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2026024/message:2026072","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026071":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2026071","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2026071":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:8206"},"id":"message:2026071","revisionNum":1,"uid":2026071,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2026024"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2026024"},"subject":"Re: Calling All Spark Plug Experts, Opinions on these pics.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2026071"},"body":"This ^^^^^


I have an 8.1 and there is no PCV valve.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"56","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-01-22T17:10:35.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-01-22T17:10:35.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":491},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:2026024/message:2026071","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1737758442265","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1737758442265","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1737758442265","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1737758442265","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1737758442265","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1737758442265","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1737758442265","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1737758442265":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1737758442265","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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