Cruise testing, I would be uncomfortable

colliehauler wrote:
Boeing is not the only one that had software failure. Airbus software failures killed lots of people as well.

Yes, but we don't stop flying or start stripping technology out of airplanes. We try to fix it and make it better.

^ That's funny!

Here's a scenario.......

Put about a dozen self driving cars on a highway somewhere in bumper to bumper moving traffic @ 60 mph, in a northeast snow squall, on the first Saturday of the month after the SS checks come in and all the BH's are heading out to the beautician and grocery store.

Now interject 3 or 4 part time workers from Burger King who are driving 1987 Chevy Cavaliers with worn out brakes and bald tires into the mix, who are late for work. :B

Consequences of Boeing's failure. Since this has been used as a comparison when systems go wrong. Not only the tragedy of loss of life I wonder the monetary amount of this software failure.

Today Spirit Aviation (builds 70 percent of the plane) announced the layoff of 2800 people.

Boeing is not the only one that had software failure. Airbus software failures killed lots of people as well.

rjstractor wrote:

2oldman wrote:
Human drivers kill thousands every year, but we somehow live with that.

We'll all be dead before this technology really takes hold, so it doesn't matter.

All part of human nature. Yes, human error kills tens of thousands per year, but if self driving cars malfunction and kill 100 per year they will be branded unsafe. Case in point- a software problem with the 737 Max caused two crashes, killing around 350 people. Despite transporting 6.5 million passengers safely in one year, the aircraft is grounded indefinitely.

For some reason we find it acceptable for human error to cause accidents and kill people, but unacceptable for a tech malfunction to cause accidents, even at a much lower rate.

Because I've not caused accidents or killed people in my driving tenure. But put me in a rolling computer without any override controls, and I'm merely a passenger. And when the computer prevents or fights me from being able to take control when the talent of the software runs out, you bet there will be an unsafe label applied, just like when those planes crashed despite what is likely experienced pilots trying to keep them from going down.

Today, more and more vehicles (especially cars, but a lot of trucks now) are using computers to drive.

The steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake are NOT actually connected to the wheels or engine... they have wires going to the vehicle's computer, and that computer decides if it agrees with the driver before steering, accelerating, or braking the vehicle.

The majority of the time this is good, and gives better traction and control. Some off road and work applications are better if manual, but not many these days.

Going to "full self driving" is not that much of a stretch from what we have already.

valhalla360 wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
When/if this technology hits tow vehicles how would you hitch up a trailer or 5er? What would happen if trailer sway occurred? A tire blow out or mechanical failure?

I might not even being towing anymore by the time this technology makes it into heavy duty trucks.

Just thought of something, no more speeding since you can't control the accelerator.
Absolutely no reason to be in the cab of the truck you could go to bed in the RV and wake up at your destination (hopefully).

Once it gets to that level...it will back up to the hitch perfectly every time. That's a pretty easy problem to solve.

As far as failures, human drivers often react poorly. An automated system can check for most common failures 10 times a second and have predetermined reactions for each...so probably better.

One thing that people don't understand is self driving is already here, it's the 100% where the steering wheel goes away that will take time. Adaptive cruise control, lane departure, those are automated driving functions that are already present. They are going after the low hanging fruit first.

The biggest issue holding up implementation, as alluded to, is the expectation of 100% perfection when humans aren't perfect. Tesla has been living on the edge because they are already on the edge of bankruptcy so they can take chances an established company wouldn't dare but really all the manufacturers have test cars that are 98% there now.

Not even close. Give adaptive cruise and the other poopage a try on something like the DC or Baltimore beltway lol. Put blind faith in it. Just find a good collision guy beforehand and maybe carry some TP and wet wipes. Those systems making corrections 10 times a second can not anticipate the typical moron.

colliehauler wrote:
When/if this technology hits tow vehicles how would you hitch up a trailer or 5er? What would happen if trailer sway occurred? A tire blow out or mechanical failure?

I might not even being towing anymore by the time this technology makes it into heavy duty trucks.

Just thought of something, no more speeding since you can't control the accelerator.
Absolutely no reason to be in the cab of the truck you could go to bed in the RV and wake up at your destination (hopefully).

Once it gets to that level...it will back up to the hitch perfectly every time. That's a pretty easy problem to solve.

As far as failures, human drivers often react poorly. An automated system can check for most common failures 10 times a second and have predetermined reactions for each...so probably better.

One thing that people don't understand is self driving is already here, it's the 100% where the steering wheel goes away that will take time. Adaptive cruise control, lane departure, those are automated driving functions that are already present. They are going after the low hanging fruit first.

The biggest issue holding up implementation, as alluded to, is the expectation of 100% perfection when humans aren't perfect. Tesla has been living on the edge because they are already on the edge of bankruptcy so they can take chances an established company wouldn't dare but really all the manufacturers have test cars that are 98% there now.

Getting to the point where you can eliminate the steering wheel can't happen until you hit 100% and never expect human control.

colliehauler wrote:
When/if this technology hits tow vehicles how would you hitch up a trailer or 5er? What would happen if trailer sway occurred? A tire blow out or mechanical failure?

I might not even being towing anymore by the time this technology makes it into heavy duty trucks.

Just thought of something, no more speeding since you can't control the accelerator.
Absolutely no reason to be in the cab of the truck you could go to bed in the RV and wake up at your destination (hopefully).

you will wake at a destination for sure. Maybe not the one you want though

free radical wrote:

bob213 wrote:
Cruise

Whoever at GM released that nonsense should be fired,and quickly.

Nothing to lose your head over like this guy did. Too bad he put his faith in garbage Tesla Auto Pilot with no lidar.

How many people were killed by GM's Cruise?

1 million Robotaxis on the road by the end of 2020.