Diesel Brothers

pitch wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
I also think it is a bit ironic that the government is cracking down on diesel brothers yet Elon Musk can blast all those Kerosene(#1 diesel fuel) rockets in the air each one worth the emissions of hundreds of thousands of these trucks. I guess if you have enough money and lobby the right people, then you have free reign to make your own rules and do as you please.

Then you have Elon and all the rest of those movie stars/entertainers/sports players fly around in their private jets, helicopters; have exotic cars and yachts living in multiple houses telling use that we should not pollute the air they breathe. That we have to pay extra for these emissions equipment for their clean air. Each one of them probably put more carbon and NOx in the air then hundreds of the diesel brothers yet the diesel brothers are the bad guys here. Go figure.... :h

If only life were that simple. The rockets that Elon Musk and several other blast off into space fulfill a scientific and commercial purpose, that will and is advancing man kinds knowledge.
The pollution controls on our vehicles were put there for the benefit of all,(socialism), and even though they are sometimes a pain in the rear,I and all thinking people are grateful for their existence.

Your desire to giggle and play with yourself at the sight of blacksmoke polluting our sky, is not a right ,it is nothing more than selfishness. With trucks rolling off the factory floor pushing 500HP, the NEED for more power is ludacris. If you want more power ,knock yourself out, but do it within established parameters.

The rockets that Elon blast in the air emit more than NASA rockets(that are beneficial) because Elon does not want to pay the money for them yet he does want to pay for his hundreds of miles of private jet flights.

Pollution controls on vehicles are needed, but there is a point of excess and doing more harm when all things are considered. However, people just blindingly follow whatever the EPA says is good for them without even knowing the numbers. For example, the EPA told diesel automakers back in 2005-2006 that they had to lower NOx to a certain number. They didn't know or care how the manufacturers did it, just so that it was done.

In order to meet these new numbers(which were only a .8 g/bhp-hr difference) the manufacturers had to use DEF. This required the creation over many chemical plants to create DEF, plants & factories to create the plastic DEF containers, fleets to transport this DEF, about a 5-10% decrease in fuel efficiency, and added pollution in landfills for these plastic jugs. All this to save .8 g/bhp-hr. Do you think that the EPA went back and reevaluated the pollution impact that their number created? No, not a chance.

Do they go back and say "Hey, the EU NOx limit is much higher than ours while their CO and CO2 limit(emitte is much lower" No, and that is where the hypocrisy comes in. EPA is suppose to be good for the environment yet the have much higher CO and CO2 limits than the EU because the EPA is bias toward gasoline cars even though they emit more greenhouse gasses. Not only that, but the EPA CAFE fuel economy loops are geared toward achieving the best possible fuel mileage in gasoline cars, not diesel. This is why gasoline car owners generally get worse fuel economy in the real world than the EPA test and diesels generally get better than this test. Our rules are rigged so that gasoline cars dominate and EU's rules are geared toward diesels. This is why diesels in the EU do not require as many emissions devices as the US does, but gasoline engines require more.